Rambo - Peptide and SARM Q&A

[xxplosive]

Not retarded at all brother, good questions. Here's the tricky part, misconception is HGH/MK677 causes lethargy by lowering thyroid but this is not entirely true. If anything higher HGH levels increase conversion of T4 to the active version T3. So using HGH products with T4 will accelerate fat loss. Now whether it will help lethargy, it may since higher metabolism will have stimulant type effect but no one should be using thyroid products as a stimulant. They are more safer stimulant options to use then messing with thyroid. If your after fat loss then for sure T4 will assist. Now MK677 is sort of a wet compound. Better suited for bulking in my opinion especially with the hunger increase. This is why I use other peptides like hexarelin or HGH for fat loss as they are better suited. With that said, there are guys who get ripped on MK677, those guys usually do not get the typical sides. So this will be unique. For me personally, for fat loss I would use HGH over MK677 because MK677 just makes me too damn hungry to able to diet. Now if you are able to handle MK677 well and it keeps you pumped and full while you are losing fat it's a win win and would be a very effective stack in achieving your goals.

So in short, there is no real way to mitigate the lethargy/water from mk677?

Mk677 put size and strength on me quick- Hyperplasia occurs via increase in igf1, correct? If you run mk677 for long enough, can you expect hyperplasia?

 

[01dragonslayer]

I'm currently running a low dose gh in the AM and gonna start adding MK-677. What do ya think is the best protocol, dosages and administration times for the both. I am prone to water retention so I thought starting the MK at low dose around 6.25mg would be best and possibly increasing slowly.

 

[01dragonslayer]

I'm currently running a low dose gh in the AM and gonna start adding MK-677. What do ya think is the best protocol, dosages and administration times for the both. I am prone to water retention so I thought starting the MK at low dose around 6.25mg would be best and possibly increasing slowly.

ToTheTop for Rambo. Hey brotha....just a little help please.

 

[RamboStallone]

So in short, there is no real way to mitigate the lethargy/water from mk677?

Mk677 put size and strength on me quick- Hyperplasia occurs via increase in igf1, correct? If you run mk677 for long enough, can you expect hyperplasia?

Keeping the dose low and working up slowly will help mitigate sides. This is why I constantly recommend starting as low as 5mg and going up 2.5-5mg every 2 weeks or until any sides pass. A little clen 20mcgs can help keep water bloat down as well. I don't recommend diuretics but they can also help for those that use them. The lethargy can be helped by starting small and going slow. I don't recommend stimulants personally but of course they will help. My approach is to ease into. Its the way I do everything even with food and training. Working up slowly is best. I am on nothing but TRT now, just test. And I have maintained 90% of my muscle mass. Quick saturation just burns out receptors and causes sides. It also seems to desensitize the person to the drug. They keep needing more and more. Sorry I'm ranting lol. But I like to share my findings so people don't make the same mistakes I did. I started with 25mg a day and went up to 50mg in 2014 when I started using MK677. I struggles with sides for months. Best method I found is what I am recommending and 10mg is a great dose. 25mg is maximum. No need for any higher, after a while you won't feel the sides, it will take consistent time on though.

There is no proof of hyperplasia in adults at all. With or without high igf levels. I wouldn't worry about that anyway. It increases igf which builds muscle. It helps recovery which in turn builds muscle. It increases strength....you get the picture brother.

 

[RamboStallone]

I'm currently running a low dose gh in the AM and gonna start adding MK-677. What do ya think is the best protocol, dosages and administration times for the both. I am prone to water retention so I thought starting the MK at low dose around 6.25mg would be best and possibly increasing slowly.

Easy! GH in am 2-3iu. MK677 late evening prebed or postworkout. Start at 5mg or even 2.5mg if you are prone to sides. Easy into it brother. My post above explains further.

 

[01dragonslayer]

Easy! GH in am 2-3iu. MK677 late evening prebed or postworkout. Start at 5mg or even 2.5mg if you are prone to sides. Easy into it brother. My post above explains further.

Got it. Thank you my friend.

 

[xxplosive]

Keeping the dose low and working up slowly will help mitigate sides. This is why I constantly recommend starting as low as 5mg and going up 2.5-5mg every 2 weeks or until any sides pass. A little clen 20mcgs can help keep water bloat down as well. I don't recommend diuretics but they can also help for those that use them. The lethargy can be helped by starting small and going slow. I don't recommend stimulants personally but of course they will help. My approach is to ease into. Its the way I do everything even with food and training. Working up slowly is best. I am on nothing but TRT now, just test. And I have maintained 90% of my muscle mass. Quick saturation just burns out receptors and causes sides. It also seems to desensitize the person to the drug. They keep needing more and more. Sorry I'm ranting lol. But I like to share my findings so people don't make the same mistakes I did. I started with 25mg a day and went up to 50mg in 2014 when I started using MK677. I struggles with sides for months. Best method I found is what I am recommending and 10mg is a great dose. 25mg is maximum. No need for any higher, after a while you won't feel the sides, it will take consistent time on though.

There is no proof of hyperplasia in adults at all. With or without high igf levels. I wouldn't worry about that anyway. It increases igf which builds muscle. It helps recovery which in turn builds muscle. It increases strength....you get the picture brother.

Are you saying no proof of hyperplasia in adults running mk677 or no proof of hyperplasia, period, in adults with or without even gh?

 

[RamboStallone]

Are you saying no proof of hyperplasia in adults running mk677 or no proof of hyperplasia, period, in adults with or without even gh?

No proof period.

 

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Rambo - Peptide and SARM Q&A

So in short, there is no real way to mitigate the lethargy/water from mk677?

Mk677 put size and strength on me quick- Hyperplasia occurs via increase in igf1, correct? If you run mk677 for long enough, can you expect hyperplasia?

From experience MK-677 is not what you are looking for. Atleast not yet. Try Hexa and iPam combo. Itll do what you are hoping to accomplish. Ill hold 10lbs of water EASY on MK not to say that u will but that coupled with the hunger it gives u are best left for a bulk imo.


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[01dragonslayer]

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[xxplosive]

No proof period.

How are some of these muscle on top of muscle crazy physiques achieved? Are saying it can be done with out gh?

Also... Is it true that gh allows za higher dose of aas to be used or is that a myth?

 

[RamboStallone]

How are some of these muscle on top of muscle crazy physiques achieved? Are saying it can be done with out gh?

Also... Is it true that gh allows za higher dose of aas to be used or is that a myth?

No, I said there is NO evidence of hyperplasia in adults period! You think these guys build crazy physiques cuz they figured out some special concoction of drugs or hgh?

No GH does not allow that, complete myth and first time I ever hear of such a ridiculous theory. Quite the contrary actually, most guys take HGH so they can LOWER their AAS dose NOT take more. The idea of stacking different drugs and hgh is so we don't have to take a ton of one.

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

No, I said there is NO evidence of hyperplasia in adults period! You think these guys build crazy physiques cuz they figured out some special concoction of drugs or hgh?

No GH does not allow that, complete myth and first time I ever hear of such a ridiculous theory. Quite the contrary actually, most guys take HGH so they can LOWER their AAS dose NOT take more. The idea of stacking different drugs and hgh is so we don't have to take a ton of one.

Not to mention, there using Myostatin Inhibitor's "and" alot use Slin & GH , and "Real" Quality igf, that's expensive, And most of us probably wouldn't/couldn't come across.

Top /Elite guys have sponsor's too, (Philanthropists ) with
No means to an end of disposable $$$.

But the real big guys are using slin excessively , and hopefully the right way, just not too many are going on You-Tube & stating it. It's fact...

 

[RamboStallone]

Not to mention, there using Myostatin Inhibitor's "and" alot use Slin & GH , and "Real" Quality igf, that's expensive, And most of us probably wouldn't/couldn't come across.

Top /Elite guys have sponsor's too, (Philanthropists ) with
No means to an end of disposable $$$.

But the real big guys are using slin excessively , and hopefully the right way, just not too many are going on You-Tube & stating it. It's fact...

No they are not using anything special bro. Everyone is using the same. There are no myostatin inhibtors. Slin and HGH are used by everyone. Difference is genetics and hard work. That's it. Some are willing to sacrifice and put in the time more then others which gives them the edge and without genetics it's not possible no matter how much drugs.

Many pros can barely afford the sport. They are using the same we use. There is no magic drugs.

 

[xxplosive]

No, I said there is NO evidence of hyperplasia in adults period! You think these guys build crazy physiques cuz they figured out some special concoction of drugs or hgh?

No GH does not allow that, complete myth and first time I ever hear of such a ridiculous theory. Quite the contrary actually, most guys take HGH so they can LOWER their AAS dose NOT take more. The idea of stacking different drugs and hgh is so we don't have to take a ton of one.

Is it correct to take what you said as you can get the same effect as aas + hgh with just higher doses of aas?

Can slin be used without hgh or is there no point?

Is more = better true to a certain point?

It's weird bc for me, drugs like test/tren seem to be counterproductive past a small dose... Do you just have to sack up and deal with it and up the ancillaries so you csn still get the benefits of the higher doses?

 

[xxplosive]

Also... Is t4 all around safer and less catabolic to take than t3?

 

[RamboStallone]

Is it correct to take what you said as you can get the same effect as aas + hgh with just higher doses of aas?

Can slin be used without hgh or is there no point?

Is more = better true to a certain point?

It's weird bc for me, drugs like test/tren seem to be counterproductive past a small dose... Do you just have to sack up and deal with it and up the ancillaries so you csn still get the benefits of the higher doses?

Whether you want to deal with sides, take HGH, or high dose AAS, etc. Is your own personal decision and whether it is worth it to YOU. Most people can look great just on TRT. Lots of us have proven this. It also takes less to maintain after each blast, this is why we should be blasting with minimum each time. I choose not to deal with sides and they are not worth it to me since I can look great just on a little test and don't compete or anything. So this is where I am coming from with these answers. Especially since we have gone off topic at this point. Just pointing this out since I never claimed to have any secrets about building muscle and didn't want you to misunderstand since you took the discussion in a different direction.

Bottom line is some people will respond better to higher doses while others will be miserable and respond better to lower doses. Most are taking too much. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns but everyone is going to be different in that regard.

 

[RamboStallone]

Also... Is t4 all around safer and less catabolic to take than t3?

You could argue T4 is safer/less catabolic since it still has to be converted to be active, but it has a long half life so that can be a bigger issue if someone took too much.

 

[Quix99]

This thread is like sitting under a learning tree...thanks guys

 

[RamboStallone]

This thread is like sitting under a learning tree...thanks guys

The original intention of this thread was about peptides and sarms but xxplosive brought in a lot of good questions outside of this. I am welcoming this and will answer my opinions, I just want to clarify I am not claiming to be any type of guru or have any special secrets. Peps and sarms I have used and studied quite a bit so I wanted to share that info mainly but we can welcome diet, training, and PED questions as well with the caveat we are sharing opinions only and its all for entertainment purposes as we do not condone anyone break any laws