Rambo - Peptide and SARM Q&A

It shouldn't matter injecting subq since it works systematically...?

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Yes that is correct, everything we inject goes systematically. With that said, site injecting is a way to try and maximize the effects in the specific area, and anecdotal evidence shows us there is some truth to it. So while it is not absolutely needed, it may help.
 
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-There has been cases of guys testing igf levels in the 400-600 range using MK-677 combined with other peptides such as CJC DAC but it was using some high doses. So from and igf level standpoint, yes it would take something like 6-8iu to provide similar levels. Of course this is soo individualistic and unique to each person that you can't compare unless it's the same person under same conditions.

Of course. I was curious to see if anyone had documented different changes in IGF blood levels during specific peptide runs because I wanted to try and quantify broad statements such as "Hexarelin is generally more potent than Ipamorelin". I asked about IGF levels because I'm simply ignorant of any other objective measurements of thier efficacy I don't know enough about the different benefits of each different GHRP to ask better/more specific questions than how effective each one is at raising GH/IGF over baseline.

-Instead of trying to compare this to that, my question always is WHAT IS THE GOAL?

My personal goals for wanting to delve into these GH-promoting compounds (after 15 years of AAS usage) are connective tissue regeneration, (MANY injuries/surgeries) fat loss, and overall cellular regeneration, AKA anti-aging-aging benefits.

These are all tools in our arsenal. Not sure why people are soo hell bent on comparing stuff. Another consideration is how do you react to these compounds? Some may prefer certain ones because for them they simply respond better. In my experience, MK677 is stronger than GH. It's hard to compare but even a small dose of MK677 hits me hard with effects and side effects. Takes more HGH then a couple IU to give me similar sides. Low dose HGH is side free for me so I prefer it usually. However on a bulk MK677 is king stuff packs on size hard and fast. HGH is a much slower process. It all comes down in the end to goals and preferences based on one's response to said compound.
Thank you and hope that helps!

Yes, I appreciate all of your sharing in this thread. It is probably the most helpful one I've come across since beginning peptide research.
 
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Rambo... What's your take on how to combat lethargy/bloat from mk-677? I got great size/strength results from Mk677 last time i used it but those sides were just way too much.

MuscleMechanic says those sides are due to thyroid suppression which spikes prolactin.

Can and is it safe to combat that with T3, T4 or caber?

What protocol would you recommend?
 
And to those of you who have not ran mk677... The hunger pangs you get within 5-10 min are NO FUCKING JOKE!!

I personally don't have the self control to fight them. More power to those who do.

Great for bulking.
 
Rambo... What's your take on how to combat lethargy/bloat from mk-677? I got great size/strength results from Mk677 last time i used it but those sides were just way too much.

MuscleMechanic says those sides are due to thyroid suppression which spikes prolactin.

Can and is it safe to combat that with T3, T4 or caber?

What protocol would you recommend?

Interested in this as well. I've ran MK in the past and I have a hard time finding a good dose with low bloat. Most times I have to discontinue use due to the bloat being so severe.
 
I was good on 10mg but as soon as I increase to 20mg it was too much for me. Will have to try it again sometime.
 
Rambo... What's your take on how to combat lethargy/bloat from mk-677? I got great size/strength results from Mk677 last time i used it but those sides were just way too much.

MuscleMechanic says those sides are due to thyroid suppression which spikes prolactin.

Can and is it safe to combat that with T3, T4 or caber?

What protocol would you recommend?

Lethargy.../simple (take at night b4 bed, make you sleep like a rock) Eat like a horse when you wake
 
I've been consistently taking 12.5 of what's available from Rambo at night , (not always on.an empty stomach, because I feed "alot" ...) I've been filling a gel cap that holss exactly 1/2 ml because I cannot stand the taste.

Keep water by bedside , as I get extremely thirsty , but do want aa few times to piss ( twice, & sometimes 3 a nite )

I have also just waited til one of those times to piss to take it then, "and" besides sleeping much better, I've had
Vivid, and at times unusaual dreams ...? But def sleeping better up 15+ lbs in the past 3 weeks since being on afternoon's & taking this mk-677, no bloat for me, strength is def up, but I attribute that to the Dbol. & Gear..

Just started "back " on GH too, as I decided to run "just" the Mk-677 stand-alone for three weeks, now I'm going to do both GH upon waking with t-4 and may do split doses of that at ....? ?? Haven't decided but always do 3 i.u. upon waking may do another 3, maybe 5 later in the day...?
We'll see...!
 
Of course. I was curious to see if anyone had documented different changes in IGF blood levels during specific peptide runs because I wanted to try and quantify broad statements such as "Hexarelin is generally more potent than Ipamorelin". I asked about IGF levels because I'm simply ignorant of any other objective measurements of thier efficacy I don't know enough about the different benefits of each different GHRP to ask better/more specific questions than how effective each one is at raising GH/IGF over baseline.



My personal goals for wanting to delve into these GH-promoting compounds (after 15 years of AAS usage) are connective tissue regeneration, (MANY injuries/surgeries) fat loss, and overall cellular regeneration, AKA anti-aging-aging benefits.



Yes, I appreciate all of your sharing in this thread. It is probably the most helpful one I've come across since beginning peptide research.
The studies and testing are all over the net and boards brother. Its been done. There is a book of studies I have that compares the peptides. Hex and grhp2 were strongest. MK677 provided highest increases in igf serums from testing I have seen. People are combining peps, gh, mk677, etc. Like I mentioned earlier, its going to come down to individual response, preference, and goals.

If anti-aging is the goal a simple ghrp/ghrh stack or low dose HGH. Even MK677 at very low dose 5-10mg could be used as long as sides are not an issue. OR you run them all, one at a time and every 4-8 weeks you switch. I used to do this alot. 8 weeks of MK677 then 8 weeks of hex/cjc, repeat. Right now I'm doing 3iu HGH every morning. I wanted to stay leaner and MK677 makes me insanely hungry so I opted to use HGH in this instance. When I want my weight to go up nothing packs it on like MK677. These days most commonly people are going to use HGH or MK677. The traditional peps have died off a bit due to MK677 being more potent and quality HGH being readily available. I could use hex/cjc in this instance as well, its my favorite stack. No hunger increases with hex so works great for leaning out.
 
Rambo... What's your take on how to combat lethargy/bloat from mk-677? I got great size/strength results from Mk677 last time i used it but those sides were just way too much.

MuscleMechanic says those sides are due to thyroid suppression which spikes prolactin.

Can and is it safe to combat that with T3, T4 or caber?

What protocol would you recommend?
Everybody thinks when they feel tired there thyroid is suppressed. Not true. Prolactin increases are insignificant for most.

This is a common side effect of HGH, period. And MK677 releases alot of HGH a dozen times a day. Its like injecting HGH every 2 hrs. Of course lethargy is going to be there!

The truth is MK677 (HGH) increases conversion of T4 to T3 so in simple terms it increases the amount of T3 hence the metabolism. So no that is NOT suppression. I've tested this with my own bloodwork. Yes T4 appears low because more of it is converted but T3 is high and TSH is usually normal (meaning normal thyroid function). I would only add it if bloodwork shows an issue. Trying to use thyroid as a stimulant is bad news in my opinion.

My method to combating lethargy is starting off at very low dose. 5mg. Even 2.5mg sometimes. Then slowly increase weekly by 2.5-5mg. Over time the sides decrease as you continue running it so sticking it out for those first few weeks will help.
 
And to those of you who have not ran mk677... The hunger pangs you get within 5-10 min are NO FUCKING JOKE!!

I personally don't have the self control to fight them. More power to those who do.

Great for bulking.
Interested in this as well. I've ran MK in the past and I have a hard time finding a good dose with low bloat. Most times I have to discontinue use due to the bloat being so severe.
I was good on 10mg but as soon as I increase to 20mg it was too much for me. Will have to try it again sometime.
This is where starting real low and working into it helps big time. I honestly don't see a reason to go over 10mg. I use the liquid so dosing is very flexible and can go as low as 2.5mg using an oral syringe or slin pin.
 
I've been consistently taking 12.5 of what's available from Rambo at night , (not always on.an empty stomach, because I feed "alot" ...) I've been filling a gel cap that holss exactly 1/2 ml because I cannot stand the taste.

Keep water by bedside , as I get extremely thirsty , but do want aa few times to piss ( twice, & sometimes 3 a nite )

I have also just waited til one of those times to piss to take it then, "and" besides sleeping much better, I've had
Vivid, and at times unusaual dreams ...? But def sleeping better up 15+ lbs in the past 3 weeks since being on afternoon's & taking this mk-677, no bloat for me, strength is def up, but I attribute that to the Dbol. & Gear..

Just started "back " on GH too, as I decided to run "just" the Mk-677 stand-alone for three weeks, now I'm going to do both GH upon waking with t-4 and may do split doses of that at ....? ?? Haven't decided but always do 3 i.u. upon waking may do another 3, maybe 5 later in the day...?
We'll see...!

Take the 3iu HGH in the AM brother. Then the MK677 prebed as you have been. Remember MK677 is active 24hrs and the HGH will be active for around 10hrs. You don't need an additional dose with this setup.

Gh/igf promote REM deep sleep. The dreams feel soo real its scary sometimes! I've had some weird ones over the years lol!
 
Take the 3iu HGH in the AM brother. Then the MK677 prebed as you have been. Remember MK677 is active 24hrs and the HGH will be active for around 10hrs. You don't need an additional dose with this setup.

Gh/igf promote REM deep sleep. The dreams feel soo real its scary sometimes! I've had some weird ones over the years lol!

So, the GH ...?, Just in a.m. skip attempting a second one later. ? How about if I want to get a tad more adventurous (for size sake )5 i.u. should be Kool too I suppose.., probably no more than that, and ATM I can afford it, but may skip, or lower on weekends, or even "non" training day's...??

& Yes..! You nailed it vivid, and at times scary dreams , "and" after waking to piss... Even scarier , I have fallen right back into a dream where I left off, or it was very related (like finishing the movie , lol . / ) For lack of better words weird for sure but very real.

*** I'd imagine it had to do with subconscious things that are on your mind alot, cuz that's what alot.of em' are about, & even this morning (last night ) I'm just waking now, haven't even made my coffee yet (but need to for sure) ne how just b4 waking as a result of me being sick of society & some other bullshit in life , I was actually being pissy mean to the few in my dreams , lol.. go figure.


Motor
 
So, the GH ...?, Just in a.m. skip attempting a second one later. ? How about if I want to get a tad more adventurous (for size sake )5 i.u. should be Kool too I suppose.., probably no more than that, and ATM I can afford it, but may skip, or lower on weekends, or even "non" training day's...??

& Yes..! You nailed it vivid, and at times scary dreams , "and" after waking to piss... Even scarier , I have fallen right back into a dream where I left off, or it was very related (like finishing the movie , lol . / ) For lack of better words weird for sure but very real.

*** I'd imagine it had to do with subconscious things that are on your mind alot, cuz that's what alot.of em' are about, & even this morning (last night ) I'm just waking now, haven't even made my coffee yet (but need to for sure) ne how just b4 waking as a result of me being sick of society & some other bullshit in life , I was actually being pissy mean to the few in my dreams , lol.. go figure.


Motor
Then what did you have for lunch?
 
This is where starting real low and working into it helps big time. I honestly don't see a reason to go over 10mg. I use the liquid so dosing is very flexible and can go as low as 2.5mg using an oral syringe or slin pin.

I stayed on 10mg for 60 days, only after 60 days did I double it to 20mg.
 
So, the GH ...?, Just in a.m. skip attempting a second one later. ? How about if I want to get a tad more adventurous (for size sake )5 i.u. should be Kool too I suppose.., probably no more than that, and ATM I can afford it, but may skip, or lower on weekends, or even "non" training day's...??

& Yes..! You nailed it vivid, and at times scary dreams , "and" after waking to piss... Even scarier , I have fallen right back into a dream where I left off, or it was very related (like finishing the movie , lol . / ) For lack of better words weird for sure but very real.

*** I'd imagine it had to do with subconscious things that are on your mind alot, cuz that's what alot.of em' are about, & even this morning (last night ) I'm just waking now, haven't even made my coffee yet (but need to for sure) ne how just b4 waking as a result of me being sick of society & some other bullshit in life , I was actually being pissy mean to the few in my dreams , lol.. go figure.


Motor
You can take a second GH dose but not necessary, my point was you're covered but of course doing more is well more haha. Since you have the MK677 pumping all day I wouldn't worry about splitting up the 5iu but you can if you want to. I just think we complicate shit too much and it honestly seems to make no difference. I like to keep it simple these days. Plus juicing up is not such a priority of mine these days. I actually take pretty low doses compared to what I see guys post and what I've pushed to in the past on occasion. I'm talking 500mg a week total doses. No more then 3iu on HGH. I refuse to deal with any side effects but the good ones lol.

Its definately what's on your mind since it is your mind at work in a deep stage. It just amazed me how real these dreams feel. Similar to dreams when being a child which makes sense. I don't really get dreams without the HGH products.
 
I stayed on 10mg for 60 days, only after 60 days did I double it to 20mg.
10mg releases almost as much HGH as 50mg in the studies. 50mg however had a good bit higher igf increase. Therefore, 10mg is a pretty damn good dose and is the limit for some, myself included. 25mg makes me a total zombie I'm soo lethargic, its like taking 10iu HGH in terms of lethargy. Stick to 10mg bro.
 
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