Worth taking HGH at night?
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GH novice here but from the research I have done it may inhibit your body's own production of GH.
Roc, MM....GH pros....where you at?
Roc, MM....GH pros....where you at?
Are we talking about exogenous HGH or the ghrelin mimicking mk677, because they are 100% completely different. Mk677 is a NOT HGH, its a oral bio available ghrelin mimicker- HGH stimulating hormone. Double x if you are trying to reduce the side effects of mk677 like i had explained to you in your PM already in detail that a evening dose (6pm to7pm) of 677 with a glucose tablet every 2 hours until bedtime will help counter the drop in blood glucose upon administration of 677, Not taking the 677 right before bedtime (take the last glucose tab before bedtime with 25 mg of aromasin for the fluid). I have a linc below of a clinical study on 677 that was modest (at best) in results (the patients in the study were extremely HGH deficient older men and not an athlete with normal levels) , morning dose of 677 yields a slightly better result than at nite, however the results were far less than exogenous HGH (maybe 20%-30%of real HGH effects). The 677 results peaked at the fourth day and declined thereafter because of direct desensitization of HGH by IGF-1 which acts at the pituitary on HGH .Now taking the real exogenous HGH post workout is the best time from a single dose but it's effective at all times of day .(I have spent much of my career studying HGH and I have written several articles on HGH, IGF-1, also androgen receptor binding in the American journal of medicine) , myself during my IFBB career off-season mass cycle I took 10iu in the mornings and 10iu post workout (no insulin ever ) only on the days I train (4).Most pros take 20ius whom I've been associated with at all different times it varies , I'm 42 years old and at 292lbs off gear at the moment and not looking to get any bigger just maintain and a good quality of life , now I run 6iu once daily on cycle and 2iu between cycling for anti catabolic purposes. Most bb will be extremely disappointed in the mass results of Chinese HGH even if they have 100% genuine product, a USA generic is by far a better option, most bb believe that it will make them pro bb huge (Not) it still has to be earned in the gym there are no short cuts, THE IRON NEVER LIES. Affects are far greater from a FAT burning perspective and will yield results as low as 2iu especially for anti aging , I prescribed to 100's of patients every year with excellent results at 2iu/day. For most generally 6iu is the sweet spot for HGH in regards to growth (mass) and its really how much you can afford from then on.(i know a young elite amateur who sold his house for $60.000 of black market Chinese HGH and after 2 years of 20 iu/day never really got any bigger, great kid so (eventually i hooked him up). Most bb receive HGH from black market Chinese sources and even if it is quality product the protein (191 sequence) is so fragile to damage (heat mostly also storage and handling) delicate handling is crucial from the manufacture to delivery, all it takes is a package handler to drop the box and damages the vials and the amino acid chain is destroyed and its useless. Many bb who get products from China are getting the incorrect (lab results proven) 192 amino acid sequence. My advice is waiting until they are older to reap the true benefits and for the aspiring bb wanting to complete and you are deemed dead set on using HGH then save your money until you have enough to pay for minimum 6iu per day (only on the days you train) and go to a hrt clinic and get the prescription and save it for until you have enough to run 6iu daily (for mass) unless fat loss is your objective than I recommend minimum 2iu and for best results 4iu daily if affordable. Black market HGH is a crap shoot and some amateur bb have had good results (myself included serostim, giant). Now in my bb career on a professional level I've never come across many professionals who would justify his career on black market HGH (quality HGH is available in the black market but they can't be certain it was handled properly, heat being the biggest issue by far ) they have to feed their family's and at $35.000 per year makes it very difficult to take the risk, so many the top pros come to my clinics and (I got their backs), I pay a family member to drive the HGH from the manufacturer to my clinics and guarantee that it is never shipped, also I sell it to them at my co$t (they are 100% guaranteed quality and half the price of any other clinic). try and reach your potential with gear first and then try HGH or if bb is a career objective, then a USA pharmaceutical product is advised with a yearly heart echo and bloods https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/82/10/3455/2823475
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I wouldn't say its necessarily 'bad' but from what I have read and the research I've gathered in a way not taking advantage of your body's own GH secretion. Your body produces GH during REM sleep and if your are introducing an outside source of GH, as similiar with test, the pituitary will shut down or limit its own production.
Your concepts are correct and the body will react by limiting its own production of hgh, it's common among many athletes who abuse hgh (myself included) have issues with the body's natural production and never really return to normal!
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Yeah bud! everyone has the right to disagree with anyone, clinical studies can be misleading and often (flawed) incorrect. I participated in multiple studies and all can be found inaccurate by changing the variable, the 677 facts were quoted from the study not my personal thoughts. My comments on professional hgh usage is accurate and multiple professionals are under my care past and present along with members of this board!, everything else is arguable in regards to gear and dosages. My intention is to educate from hands on experience, personal accomplishments and education. My intention is genuine and highly respected in the bb community and medical industry, you have the right to disagree, to each his own, blah blah blah!
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Got'ya bro, you going to the Arnold classic this weekend I'll be kicking it with my boys, should be a good show!, I've got vip seats and backstage passes, my money is on Brandon curry he's made big time progress this year, the word is he's on designer Myostatin (he'll tell me) from Kuwait, if his legs are improved he's tough to beat!
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Arnold Classic?.....Columbus, Ohio.
The greater Columbus convention center, Columbus Ohio, bro do you know a secure bitcoin exchange, I'm filing a lawsuit against coinbase, my account was hacked and cleared out for major $$$$$,
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I've gone to the show a few times....what an awesome event. Its just not a show. There are so many other events going on that you can't see in just a single day. I have gone for the weekend and I still didn't get to see everything I wanted. Plus the amount of freebies you get is well worth the price of admission. I would definitely go again but my friends have not been able to go for the past few years. My only real complaints are the amount of 'EGOS' that attend and the limited space that they have in the vendor areas....its almost like you have to walk through holding your breath all the time.
I did get a close-up pic of THE MAN when he was walking through. His entourage was like a small army.
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GH eve dose is effective for anything you’d take it for at any other timing. Does it interfere with your own production? Of course it does — any exogenous hormone limits or shuts down natty production while using it. Natty GH releases in pulses multiple times around the clock, so taking it multiple doses through the day is theoretically optimal. But most anyone (myself included) who has ran gh as a single dose both in the am, or single dose in the eve, will have identical results. Though eve dose can help sleep.
For general purpose use (fat loss, recovery, body recomp, energy, etc), a single dose is effective with quality gh. We’re fortunate to have some good sources of legit quality generic here affordably. Giant being one of those. Recently, I was running pharm Genotropin at 2.4iu in the am. I also ran it at 4.8iu (for about 6 weeks) in the am. I can tell you, and another good member here can tell you the same (Yates), that Giant’s generic at comparable doses is equally effective. That’s quality generic gh!
But to sum this up; am use and pm use will yield the same results when pinning once daily at the same dose. 3.3iu is an effective dose for general purpose use, and it’s convenient because you get 3 doses per vial at 3.3.
It is true that most will experience the best results if your up in your 30s and older. If you’re younger and have a healthy natty gh output, then you’d need a higher dose exogenous gh to yield optimal results that us older guys get at milder doses.
You can see muscle gains in addition to your AAS at a dose of 5iu and the results are more pronounced as you go up in dose from there.
Fat loss benefits will typically be noticed in the mid 2 range, with 3.3 being a good middle ground for the vast majority.
For general purpose use (fat loss, recovery, body recomp, energy, etc), a single dose is effective with quality gh. We’re fortunate to have some good sources of legit quality generic here affordably. Giant being one of those. Recently, I was running pharm Genotropin at 2.4iu in the am. I also ran it at 4.8iu (for about 6 weeks) in the am. I can tell you, and another good member here can tell you the same (Yates), that Giant’s generic at comparable doses is equally effective. That’s quality generic gh!
But to sum this up; am use and pm use will yield the same results when pinning once daily at the same dose. 3.3iu is an effective dose for general purpose use, and it’s convenient because you get 3 doses per vial at 3.3.
It is true that most will experience the best results if your up in your 30s and older. If you’re younger and have a healthy natty gh output, then you’d need a higher dose exogenous gh to yield optimal results that us older guys get at milder doses.
You can see muscle gains in addition to your AAS at a dose of 5iu and the results are more pronounced as you go up in dose from there.
Fat loss benefits will typically be noticed in the mid 2 range, with 3.3 being a good middle ground for the vast majority.
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I agree testboner with what your saying exactly . When I was on HGH I was taking 2iu 5x a day and I could eat anything and gain muscle. I took mine with every food meal which a friend of mine does. Everyone takes it differently and I have at least 5 friends who are Pro's and they all take it differently from each other . I have a friend competing in the Arnold and he is high up there and getting better every year. I think in a few years he will win Mr Olympia because of his all around looks and how he loves the sport and he knows the Politics too.
