The Laws of Trenbolone

Kins said:
I've been planing this cycle...

1/2 ml Tren E 100 mg m,w,f (300mg/wk)
1/4 ml Test E 75mg m,w,f (225mg/wk)Yeah a tiny bit over what's recommended but good enough I think.
1/2 ml Deca 150mg m,f (300mg/wk)
1 ml Mast E 200mg m,w,f (600mg/wk)

Now I could lower the Deca down to 1/4 ml because I included it mainly for the joint benefits. It's just difficult to find the 1/4 mark on the syringe.

So on a 3mL syringe from the first line to the 1/2 ml mark there are 6 lines. The 3rd line down would be 1/4 ml correct?. Same thing with the rest of the markings, yes?

That Mast E will be used to keep or increase strength and DHT derived steroids have always gave me a good sense of well-being and increased libido and strength. It also has an anti-estrogenic effect which will help with some of the aromatization of the testosterone and deca. So it may possible help with the bloat associated with deca also.


Ok so the only thing I'm not sure of at the moment is if 225mg deca per week is enough to be a therapeutic dose to help with joints. I would think so. EDIT: I've looked it up and it seems 225mg should be fine for therapeutic dosage for joint benefits and pain relief. Edit:It'll be 300mg per week instead.
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Think I may try again. Cut everything in half. Increase Test.

1/4 mL of Tren E 50mg(m,w,F)150mg/week
1/2 ml Test E(m,w,f) maybe 400mg per depending on mg/ml
1/4 mL of Deca (m,f) 75mg each 1/4ml so (150mg/wk)
1/2 mL Mast E 100mg(m,w,f)(300mg/wk)

That's very small dosages in my opinion. Just have to make sure to get good sleep and not overdue coffee. I feel better on higher test anyway, so maybe that could be the problem in the first place or a big part of it.
 
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Kins said:
Haha, I'm just messing around!
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Lol! That Tren is screwin' with your head already!

I think cutting the Tren is wise given your first alleged reaction (since we don't know exactly what caused it) but I would say even 100mg/wk would be a good start for a first time user. You can always pyramid up from there by 25-50mg every week or two. The original doses of everything else was fine though. I'm not sure if Mast at 600mg would cause anxiety from all the DHT but I've never heard that it does. And the deca was perfect at 225mg for therapeudic effects.
 
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Dam bro u up at 6:30? I'm on my way to work rite over the lake in WISCONSIN


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Midnights, been on the clock since 10:30, leave @ 10:30

All week.., O.T. should help get me caught up ,"somewhat"
Def going to be tired, 45 min, to hour drive each way.

Dozing off thinking about it.


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neo1 said:
Lol! That Tren is screwin' with your head already!

I think cutting the Tren is wise given your first alleged reaction (since we don't know exactly what caused it) but I would say even 100mg/wk would be a good start for a first time user. You can always pyramid up from there by 25-50mg every week or two. The original doses of everything else was fine though. I'm not sure if Mast at 600mg would cause anxiety from all the DHT but I've never heard that it does. And the deca was perfect at 225mg for therapeudic effects.
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Yeah I was thinking of running the tren at 1/8 of a mL 3 times per week. That would total 75mg per week. Plus increasing the testosterone, lowering the deca even more or cutting it out, and lowering the Mast E to only 1/4 ml or 50mg 3 times per week for a total of 150mg. Was gonna do this today but I chickened out and didn't. Plus now I'm dealing with another problem. I now have a stye on the inside of eyelid. Sucks because I wear contacts and my eyelid is swollen up. Plus I'm getting some pain in the opposite eye so I hope I'm not developing one in that eye also.
 
While this guy has valid points, his opinions are also "broscience". Yes although I agree completely having tested it many different ways that low test higher tren is the way to go, everyone is different and reacts differently to all compounds.

I also do not agree with the fact that he thinks testosterone is as weak of a compound as he makes out. I for one have taken very high doses of tren with low test and have made excellent gains, but although my sides were greatly reduced, I still suffer from horrible acid reflux and loss of appetite on tren. Therefore, I do not make as solid of gains because I cannot eat. I also get anxiety and feel much worse than I do when using NPP the same way high dosed with low dose test.

Everyone is different and although there are valid points, you have to test it for yourself to see what works well for you. Tren is harder on your body than any other compound other than possibly a strong oral like anadrol. Just run it for a long period of time and see how much better you feel when you come off. I have buddies that run high doses for long periods of time and hardly any side affects with a low test high tren protocol. Their bloods don't lie though and their kidney function and blood pressure is terrible. They also think they feel great, until they come off and running just test.

Do whatever works for you though! You won't know until you try, but definitely try it both ways.
 
ladykilla said:
While this guy has valid points, his opinions are also "broscience". Yes although I agree completely having tested it many different ways that low test higher tren is the way to go, everyone is different and reacts differently to all compounds.

I also do not agree with the fact that he thinks testosterone is as weak of a compound as he makes out. I for one have taken very high doses of tren with low test and have made excellent gains, but although my sides were greatly reduced, I still suffer from horrible acid reflux and loss of appetite on tren. Therefore, I do not make as solid of gains because I cannot eat. I also get anxiety and feel much worse than I do when using NPP the same way high dosed with low dose test.

Everyone is different and although there are valid points, you have to test it for yourself to see what works well for you. Tren is harder on your body than any other compound other than possibly a strong oral like anadrol. Just run it for a long period of time and see how much better you feel when you come off. I have buddies that run high doses for long periods of time and hardly any side affects with a low test high tren protocol. Their bloods don't lie though and their kidney function and blood pressure is terrible. They also think they feel great, until they come off and running just test.

Do whatever works for you though! You won't know until you try, but definitely try it both ways.
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That's why I'm thinking I'll feel better with higher test and lower tren. I just feel great on Testosterone. 500mg/wk test feels good, but 750-900mg feels much better. However this experience could just be a fluke or my mind playing tricks on me because one shot I don't think should have had the effect that it did on me. Just reading all the horror stories of it screwed with my head I'm guessing. Or like I said in another post, whenever I take something new to me I usually freak out a bit. It has happened with a few pre-workouts that were new to me where I'd take it the first time and be all nervous and jittery and anxious as heck. Then I'd take it again 2 days later and wouldn't feel anything from it at all. First time I took Cialis I got stuff nose and dizzy and was worried my blood pressure was too low. Then taking it the second and third time no sides at all.
 
Kins said:
Yeah I was thinking of running the tren at 1/8 of a mL 3 times per week. That would total 75mg per week. Plus increasing the testosterone, lowering the deca even more or cutting it out, and lowering the Mast E to only 1/4 ml or 50mg 3 times per week for a total of 150mg. Was gonna do this today but I chickened out and didn't. Plus now I'm dealing with another problem. I now have a stye on the inside of eyelid. Sucks because I wear contacts and my eyelid is swollen up. Plus I'm getting some pain in the opposite eye so I hope I'm not developing one in that eye also.
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Don't waste your time with tren if u run it at that dose my man... I would say 500 test a week 600 primo for 16 weeks throw mast prop in there at 300 a week add tren at the end at 1/2 ml eod last 6 weeks 16 weeks total... hcg after week 8 at 750 a week bump it up to 1500 at week 12 and continue on to pct


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Bro no shame have pcp prescribe benzo like Klonopin or Ativan or regular like buspar


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Well I put my Tren E up for sale at a lower price than I purchased it, so losing some money but have to get rid of most of it and run something that I know won't cause these problems. I will save some of course to try again. Hope someone that loves Tren E will take it off my hands.
 
Kins said:
Well I put my Tren E up for sale at a lower price than I purchased it, so losing some money but have to get rid of most of it and run something that I know won't cause these problems. I will save some of course to try again. Hope someone that loves Tren E will take it off my hands.
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Y would u run enenthate if anything run ace that way if u have issues u can stop and have it out of your system quick


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