Ratio Dosing cycles.

[Mobman702]

Hey all:

So I want some thoughts and comments on cycle ratios that some have either experienced or know of someone who have done the same. For instance, what does one think about running Test at a lower ratio then
they would a anabolic compound or compounds such as Deca, Tren or EQ ? I have heard of ppl running a cycle that would consist of 500mgs of Test a week, 600mgs a week of Deca and 750mgs a week of EQ and
state that side effects are less from running the lower Test then the usual higher Test. I know of ppl always say run your Test double to your Deca or Tren to prevent major sides from happening so with all this said,
what have any of you done or can share on this topic?/

Peace Out..

 

[01dragonslayer]

Hey all:

So I want some thoughts and comments on cycle ratios that some have either experienced or know of someone who have done the same. For instance, what does one think about running Test at a lower ratio then
they would a anabolic compound or compounds such as Deca, Tren or EQ ? I have heard of ppl running a cycle that would consist of 500mgs of Test a week, 600mgs a week of Deca and 750mgs a week of EQ and
state that side effects are less from running the lower Test then the usual higher Test. I know of ppl always say run your Test double to your Deca or Tren to prevent major sides from happening so with all this said,
what have any of you done or can share on this topic?/

Peace Out..

There has been alot of debate lately about running a tren dose higher then your test dose....not so much deca due to it being very suppressive.

 

[Mobman702]

There has been alot of debate lately about running a tren dose higher then your test dose....not so much deca due to it being very suppressive.[/QUOTE

But can that be managed with Cabre or Prami when it comes to that concern??

 

[Dt450]

It’s a little controversial with the whole dosing test with tren or deca.
I think the main culprit with experience side effects is the lack of keeping a “good” ratio of hormones in the body . Estrogen/test/progesterone/SHBG.
People that run high test and low tren and say it’s better probably dose correctly with their AI and all that. Whereas people with trt dose test and high tren can feel like their approach is better probably because trt dose test usually doesn’t mess with estrogen too much and although it’s not fully understood estrogen has an indirect effect on progesterone/prolactin.

But that’s not to say normal/low estrogen will always mean you can avoid prolactin rising from deca and tren. There’s been blood work from guys on cycle that had normal estrogen but elevated prolactin.

So what I think is that there’s people that just react differently. But I think you can do either way high dosing test and low dosing stronger anabolic, or low dosing test and higher dosing stronger anabolics. It can take a little experimenting. Especially with ancillaries But as long as you’re not an outlier I believe either way works and side effects like impotence and high blood pressure can be avoided with diet/ancillaries and is just a preference

Also a side note on tren and deca. They both act heavily on the CNS. And continually revving up your nervous system can make for more side effects or exasperate existing ones. Insomnia/impotence are big ones.
Have you ever noticed that a lot of threads on tren or deca start with “my first 6 weeks went great then all the sudden my dick doesn’t work”
Even with blood work that’s hard to determine the issue.
CNS fatigue (adrenal fatigue) needs to be considered more imo.

 

[01dragonslayer]

There has been alot of debate lately about running a tren dose higher then your test dose....not so much deca due to it being very suppressive.[/QUOTE

But can that be managed with Cabre or Prami when it comes to that concern??

Absolutely....always have it on hand in case you need it.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I am run equal test and deca but I add mast and proviron
Right now I am doing with those and trest at 25mg a day and cabar 0.5mg 2x week and I have no issues!!

I run tren higher than test.

I believe if u control prolactin with cabar 0.5mg 2x week u can run TRT dose with deca as high is 1000mg wk

After this lean bulk and cut I will run TRT 150wk with deca at 300wk for cruise instead of primo.
It's much cheaper and I got my body figured out.
I believe 0.25mg cabar good for this cruise
I still will use mast at 300-400 wk too though
And hgh at 3iu and t3 or t4 somewhere

I think my trt Dr will put me on t3 or t4 this round after I cycle off and do bloods he is checking so....

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[Dt450]

I am run equal test and deca but I add mast and proviron
Right now I am doing with those and trest at 25mg a day and cabar 0.5mg 2x week and I have no issues!!

I run tren higher than test.

I believe if u control prolactin with cabar 0.5mg 2x week u can run TRT dose with deca as high is 1000mg wk

After this lean bulk and cut I will run TRT 150wk with deca at 300wk for cruise instead of primo.
It's much cheaper and I got my body figured out.
I believe 0.25mg cabar good for this cruise
I still will use mast at 300-400 wk too though
And hgh at 3iu and t3 or t4 somewhere

I think my trt Dr will put me on t3 or t4 this round after I cycle off and do bloods he is checking so....

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I think a good way to help steer clear of prolactin raising on tren or deca is to take t3 since they have been shown to lower thyroid. And low thyroid can cause prolactin spikes.
What do you dose with t3?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

My understanding of all research including cancer is progest and prolactin need estro.

But I am one who rather lower prolactin than kill my estro!!





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[Mobman702]

It’s a little controversial with the whole dosing test with tren or deca.
I think the main culprit with experience side effects is the lack of keeping a “good” ratio of hormones in the body . Estrogen/test/progesterone/SHBG.
People that run high test and low tren and say it’s better probably dose correctly with their AI and all that. Whereas people with trt dose test and high tren can feel like their approach is better probably because trt dose test usually doesn’t mess with estrogen too much and although it’s not fully understood estrogen has an indirect effect on progesterone/prolactin.

But that’s not to say normal/low estrogen will always mean you can avoid prolactin rising from deca and tren. There’s been blood work from guys on cycle that had normal estrogen but elevated prolactin.

So what I think is that there’s people that just react differently. But I think you can do either way high dosing test and low dosing stronger anabolic, or low dosing test and higher dosing stronger anabolics. It can take a little experimenting. Especially with ancillaries But as long as you’re not an outlier I believe either way works and side effects like impotence and high blood pressure can be avoided with diet/ancillaries and is just a preference

Also a side note on tren and deca. They both act heavily on the CNS. And continually revving up your nervous system can make for more side effects or exasperate existing ones. Insomnia/impotence are big ones.
Have you ever noticed that a lot of threads on tren or deca start with “my first 6 weeks went great then all the sudden my dick doesn’t work”
Even with blood work that’s hard to determine the issue.
CNS fatigue (adrenal fatigue) needs to be considered more imo.

GREAT advise and knowledge here.. I do agree that it is trial by experiment on these issues or concerns so one needs to just do what works best for them..

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I think a good way to help steer clear of prolactin raising on tren or deca is to take t3 since they have been shown to lower thyroid. And low thyroid can cause prolactin spikes.
What do you dose with t3?

I dose t3 at 50mcg a day and t4 100mcg
Even 50mcg if t3 and t4 work but t4 at 100mcg dosent and t3 with that at 20mcg doesn't either.
But I also run hgh

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[Dt450]

I dose t3 at 50mcg a day and t4 100mcg
Even 50mcg if t3 and t4 work but t4 at 100mcg dosent and t3 with that at 20mcg doesn't either.
But I also run hgh

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I’ve never ran HGH. But on tren I like 50mcg that’s my sweet spot. 25mcg i notice no difference really. 75mcg I feel a little stringy

 

[Muscle mechanic]

It’s a little controversial with the whole dosing test with tren or deca.
I think the main culprit with experience side effects is the lack of keeping a “good” ratio of hormones in the body . Estrogen/test/progesterone/SHBG.
People that run high test and low tren and say it’s better probably dose correctly with their AI and all that. Whereas people with trt dose test and high tren can feel like their approach is better probably because trt dose test usually doesn’t mess with estrogen too much and although it’s not fully understood estrogen has an indirect effect on progesterone/prolactin.

But that’s not to say normal/low estrogen will always mean you can avoid prolactin rising from deca and tren. There’s been blood work from guys on cycle that had normal estrogen but elevated prolactin.

So what I think is that there’s people that just react differently. But I think you can do either way high dosing test and low dosing stronger anabolic, or low dosing test and higher dosing stronger anabolics. It can take a little experimenting. Especially with ancillaries But as long as you’re not an outlier I believe either way works and side effects like impotence and high blood pressure can be avoided with diet/ancillaries and is just a preference

Also a side note on tren and deca. They both act heavily on the CNS. And continually revving up your nervous system can make for more side effects or exasperate existing ones. Insomnia/impotence are big ones.
Have you ever noticed that a lot of threads on tren or deca start with “my first 6 weeks went great then all the sudden my dick doesn’t work”
Even with blood work that’s hard to determine the issue.
CNS fatigue (adrenal fatigue) needs to be considered more imo.

I get CNS from tren with higher test.
Estro also increases CNS
Deca not for me u am calm as a lurk!!
Eq raises CNS for me too but I don't use anymore due to red blood issues and eq makes mine way worse

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[Muscle mechanic]

I’ve never ran HGH. But on tren I like 50mcg that’s my sweet spot. 25mcg i notice no difference really. 75mcg I feel a little stringy

50mcg t3 works for me too.
The t4 are just there because I got mixes!!
So bonus!! Lol

Hgh really suppresses my thyroid I can't stay awake at peak of hgh dose without the t3

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