Npp vs Decca

[muscle1031]

Yes that is my point again winny debloats again why you stack

I'm thinking people dialed in their nutrition how they're supposed to instead of how they say it is I don't think anyone would ever have any bloating problems. I mean if you're going to spend all this money on oil and growth hormone and everything else we're pumping into our bodies why not nail down one of the things that you can control to the T. Make real gains

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[ketsugo]

They can't fight. They're on the same team. LoL.



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I don’t agree at all Npp absolutely does not make feel better like deca it’s actually the fluid that makes better

 

[thechemist]

Run it along side some prop and mast and you got yourself a great lean mass cycle.

Absolutely, and it gives a great blood pump throughout cycle or just when you get finished up.

 

[muscle1031]

Run it along side some prop and mast and you got yourself a great lean mass cycle.

I am not blasting you at all I'm just asking a question for anyone to answer why do I always see people using test T and assuming that they can do a lean bulk with that Esther? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought test was test no matter what Esther it is or no matter how many Esters is mixed in a blend it is still testosterone.

I do know that the few times I have used sussed I have broke out really bad I guess that's because of my hormone levels jumping up and down too much I am not sure but can someone answer the first question.?

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[eric123]

I agree with you guys

 

[CompoundLifts31]

I don’t agree at all Npp absolutely does not make feel better like deca it’s actually the fluid that makes better

In just messin around.
I know the shorter ester makes it act much differently. I've actually only run Deca to this point.
The two compounds act differently in different people's bodies. Some people react better to NPP than Deca and vice versa. I will be giving a blend a go soon with TPP, NPP, and Mast P. I'm looking forward to it. I may even go 3cc eod for a total of around 1050 each pw. Not sure on that completely yet though. I'll start at 2cc eod and see how I react.

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[Argon Coagulator]

Yes that is my point again winny debloats again why you stack

But how do you know if Winny will precisely remove the right amount of water and not too much or too little? Experiment with the dosing? My joints still felt weird from a single dose of winny, 50mg while I was on nearly 600mg of deca and test. Does that feeling go away eventually?

 

[muscle1031]

But how do you know if Winny will precisely remove the right amount of water and not too much or too little? Experiment with the dosing? My joints still felt weird from a single dose of winny, 50mg while I was on nearly 600mg of deca and test. Does that feeling go away eventually?

Know your body and experiment

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[Ironman404]

I have always heard great things about NPP...tried it 2x and saw ZERO results. Deca, on the other hand, always delivers for me.

Anyone else?

 

[CompoundLifts31]

I know when I'm not on Deca because I feel my joints literally hurt, ewlecially when going heavier. It makes a huge difference for me. Maybe because I'm 33 now. I don't know. It's liquid gold for me and the way I feel on a day to day basis.

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[C587]

I know when I'm not on Deca because I feel my joints literally hurt, ewlecially when going heavier. It makes a huge difference for me. Maybe because I'm 33 now. I don't know. It's liquid gold for me and the way I feel on a day to day basis.

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Posts like this made me try it but it made me feel shitty and my nipples were so sensitive it was almost painful. I tried adding in caber/aromasin with no relief...

Maybe I'll try it again one day...just frustrating because I need that joint relief!

 

[CompoundLifts31]

It takes about 3 weeks- a month for me to notice it. I'd try 300mgs pw just for the joint relief and maybe your sides won't be bad.

Posts like this made me try it but it made me feel shitty and my nipples were so sensitive it was almost painful. I tried adding in caber/aromasin with no relief...

Maybe I'll try it again one day...just frustrating because I need that joint relief!

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[ketsugo]

I'm thinking people dialed in their nutrition how they're supposed to instead of how they say it is I don't think anyone would ever have any bloating problems. I mean if you're going to spend all this money on oil and growth hormone and everything else we're pumping into our bodies why not nail down one of the things that you can control to the T. Make real gains

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Well diet is cornerstone but regardless no one has same effect some guys bloat . Me never . Personally I don’t experience any thing similar between deca and Npp. But that’s me . I’m huge deca fan . Deca lubricates the joints why many feel relief after few weeks from certain injuries . Winny dries so essentially they complement each other . That’s like steroids 101 common knowledge for decades . One of the oldest famous cycles sust deca winny . Old school but still one of my faves . Another cycle I’ll rotate deca for tren or winny for primo I never keep things the same but go back to it . In every aspect of training variety is the basis of fighting homeostasis that’s how our nervous system works . Why we cycle every thing . Some guys report pain using winny . Could be ? Also consider how fast you are progressing some times our power and muscle grow faster then tendon ligaments therefore injury . My favorite preworkout mix is injectable anadrol in days I’ll add in my compound moves 100 pounds in my workout weight . It’s like all sudden bam the weight I struggled doing 12 I now doing like 20 it’s nothing. Now some report bloat there? Again not I . None of us respond the same lifestyle genetics etc . Only point is historically well known winny dries deca lubricant but vary in degree per each of us .

 

[ketsugo]

I am not blasting you at all I'm just asking a question for anyone to answer why do I always see people using test T and assuming that they can do a lean bulk with that Esther? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought test was test no matter what Esther it is or no matter how many Esters is mixed in a blend it is still testosterone.

I do know that the few times I have used sussed I have broke out really bad I guess that's because of my hormone levels jumping up and down too much I am not sure but can someone answer the first question.?

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Test is just test the ester determines the rate it assimilates so prop fast short
Enanthate take longer to feel longer Esther . Many break out so that’s normal I use sust every 3 days but that’s me . Prop and short esters need to pin more often like test no ester or suspension ( in water ) you feel in like hour I use preworkout. You should try see what works for you . Just the test is test thing relates to like I use 750-1000 milligram of test per week so merely calculate my sust amount and suspension amount equals total test. Some get so uptight thinking you need to take certain time ect it’s really over complicated by many . Hey some post how that they measure quality if they get pimples lol not me but hey whatever works.

 

[ketsugo]

But how do you know if Winny will precisely remove the right amount of water and not too much or too little? Experiment with the dosing? My joints still felt weird from a single dose of winny, 50mg while I was on nearly 600mg of deca and test. Does that feeling go away eventually?

Honestly all of us have to determine what works for each start low and keep diary then periodically go back see what’s working . I’ve been doing for years so I know my body . Initially I used to keep log of everything I ate did felt took . I personally never had issue maybe winny not for you . That is good dose deca . Also I always mention especially guys still learning muscle grows faster then tendons . Some of us get so strong so fast that we strain maybe ligaments or pinch nerve . So also evaluate how much progress you made .

 

[ketsugo]

I have always heard great things about NPP...tried it 2x and saw ZERO results. Deca, on the other hand, always delivers for me.

Anyone else?

I’m with you bro

 

[ketsugo]

Posts like this made me try it but it made me feel shitty and my nipples were so sensitive it was almost painful. I tried adding in caber/aromasin with no relief...

Maybe I'll try it again one day...just frustrating because I need that joint relief!

Ironically winny has some slight anti progesterone properties not so much to have a party but deca and winny really work together each fitting in where the other don’t . However again we all different you got to figure what works for you . Nobody not me not anyone can say this will do this for you . Some compounds just don’t agree with our system . To me your diet is everything and people really need to understand the slightest variables in training . Periods where you train particularly manned then switch parts of routine . Never ever do the same thing for long . Have few routines that you rotate . Shock the body . That’s number one with me . I’ve been able to get shredded on anadrol , I don’t usually obsess over any one compound with exception is I’m old school feel the base of any cycle is test . Testosterone is the back bone of all. Then I rotate other compounds after periods . I’ll run deca for maybe one cycle for 8-12 weeks then may switch to tren or I keep my oils same rotate my orals example dbol or tbol for six weeks then switch to anavar or winny ect. I do sometimes like proviron it’s not a dramatic anabolic but helps in conjunction with other compounds to harden or dry you . So many choices just if one is bothering then move on. Plenty to choose . To me aas merely helps us retain nitrogen assimilate protein more than what we naturally should helps shuttle nutrients to muscle cells . So without diet your not getting your money worth . Training methods spark change . Many over obsess with compounds . Neglect the dietary essentials or don’t even perform a rep properly. Actually vary volume vary reps . Rotate heavy with extended type set training . Heavy increase fiber size . Particular extended set methods increase hyperplasia or fiber splitting . Bodybuilding requires variation in so many areas . Just look around at gym how many have been going for years but never change ? Too many . Utilize some power lifting methods too

 

[ketsugo]

With all due respect doesn't winny have a tendency to dry out joints essentially negating the lubricating effect from the deca?

Ah yes it does dry out the joints was I unclear ? It’s pretty much one of the most famous cycles you stack with deca because deca lubricates winny dries . Deca negates the drying . So yes they work symbiotically because they do what the other Doesn’t. Decadurobolin is a much more powerful compound than winny . However again some are sensitive to deca and bloat . I personally think bloat more relate to eating habits but we all act different. Since the 70s deca winny stack has been popular pro stack for precisely the reason they both do opposite things therefore complement each other . This is long time common knowledge. Not my ideas .

 

[ketsugo]

With all due respect doesn't winny have a tendency to dry out joints essentially negating the lubricating effect from the deca?

Again so winny May cause joint pain ? Why? It effects synovial fluid and lowers progesterone that has anti inflammatory properties.

Deca increases progesterone and increases levels of synovial fluid .

Why would you suggest that winny prevents deca from doing its job ?
Everything is a process . Deca and winny are like the two sides of same coin . Winny has short life why needs to be taken more often and nandrolone is taken at higher dose stays in system longer . It’s really not complicated why would only one compound work???? No each does its job so yes winny lowers the fluid levels and deca raises them and has anti inflammatory properties . Usually taken between 400-600 week . I myself used low as 200 felt relief .

With respect why do we use AI to reduce estrogen won’t the high dose of testosterone products negate this ??? It’s like we stack things for reason .deca winny pretty much the most longest standing popular stack ever used . Way back . I’m baffled as to how anyone on forums would not know this . Yeah maybe I been only online since 1999. But the info is everywhere.

Main thing is all of us respond differently. Not everyone will get relief some more sensitive to hormones . Others don’t understand that we all need to figure what works for us .
I’m not hazing you I’m just curious why would one make another not work ????cuz winny will continue to lower sunovial fluid thus without deca that raises it you may feel pain . I’ve personally never gotten but I’m aware many do . I’ve also never had issues with water bloat on deca but others complain just the way it is . So both compounds are in constant process acting on the body both do the opposite that’s precisely why you stack them. How would one negate the other it would have to render it useless? I don’t understand the logic behind such a point . They work symbiotic due to having opposite qualities . They aren’t fighting it’s just one dries one creates more water. Some people are prone to water on deca so they dry with winny as it is famous for drying ( and increasing agility ) thereby would benefit by the symbiotic combo .
There are others who experienced joint pain on winny due to drying out joints and lowering progesterone therefore also benefit . One does not stop another from being they just continue to do what they do . Without winny the bloaters will bloat though also weaker way or alternatively proviron just different pathway for drying . There are other compounds that many report bloat but those compounds don’t drastically lubricate joints . Deca increases synovial fluid and has progesterone properties. Winny deceases and lowers progesterone so it’s an endless process but together they work because each negates the other which is a good thing here .

 

[Juggy38]

I run them together for quicker onset of gains and less total MLs in my buttcheek. Love it. Trying something new also, low test

400mg NPP
300mg Deca
150mg test

as the cycle progresses I’ll slowly lower NPP and increase the deca. Probably something like 400/300 for two more weeks, 300/400 two weeks, 200/500 for a week then just 700 deca