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[Hevi-head]

Will arimidex and nolva help manage both estrogen and prolactin?

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No, you need caber or pramipexole for prolactin

 

[Argon Coagulator]

I have heard that if you keep your test higher than your deca then you are less likely to have symptoms. But I dont know if thats bullshit or not....

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Chemically that theory doesn't make sense, more test means more estrogen. Deca upregulates estrogen making it more potent. Higher estrogen means higher prolactin which kills your dick.

I think the reason guys like higher test than deca is because they like the feelings of well being and crazy libido the high test gives them. I was way hornier on 600mg of test than I am on 300mg. I think the extra DHT from the higher test dose competes more effectively for receptors against the DHN that Deca converts to. This may be why people report feeling better on high test low deca cycles- the deca is so low compared to the test it's more like being on a high test cycle.

 

[Captiannogainz]

Chemically that theory doesn't make sense, more test means more estrogen. Deca upregulates estrogen making it more potent. Higher estrogen means higher prolactin which kills your dick.

I think the reason guys like higher test than deca is because they like the feelings of well being and crazy libido the high test gives them. I was way hornier on 600mg of test than I am on 300mg. I think the extra DHT from the higher test dose competes more effectively for receptors against the DHN that Deca converts to. This may be why people report feeling better on high test low deca cycles- the deca is so low compared to the test it's more like being on a high test cycle.

Sense they are competing for the receptor does this yield less muscle on cycle. If estrogen is the source of prolactin then why wouldnt using arididex and nolva help to lower both.

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[Captiannogainz]

When i first started trt my free test was around 1500 and i believe my estrogen was around 40 or somewhere in that range. In my right nipple i had a bump the size if a pea and it was very sensitive.I also had body acne which i never had before. My Dr. prescribed 1 mg of anastrozole (arimidex) each week and that eliminated my symptoms.

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[Argon Coagulator]

Sense they are competing for the receptor does this yield less muscle on cycle. If estrogen is the source of prolactin then why wouldnt using arididex and nolva help to lower both.

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Not really because DHT is really just for erections and promoting hairloss- It doesn't really build muscle. Adex and nolva will no doubt control estrogen but that in and of itself is a tricky game. Not everyone gets the same exact estrogen: prolactin ratio increase. Deca def seems to promote high prolactin symptoms in many men, so it's smart to have caber/prami for when this does happen in which case nolva/adex will do nothing for, once prolactin has crept up.

Pretty much everyone agrees that Deca seems to calm their libido to normal levels, compared to being on test alone. I believe the unique DHN conversion nandrolones have is responsible for this. If not also the estrogen up regulating effects it has.

Basically if you want to do porn or just be a manwhore, don't run Deca. If your gf/wife has a crazy high libido and will ride your neighbor if you don't pound her 2-3 times a day, don't use Deca. Or if you must use Deca, run plenty of Test and maybe some proviron and masteron.

On a side note, I've heard Deca was once used medically as a contraceptive for men... So that should tell ya something...

 

[Captiannogainz]

Not really because DHT is really just for erections and promoting hairloss- It doesn't really build muscle. Adex and nolva will no doubt control estrogen but that in and of itself is a tricky game. Not everyone gets the same exact estrogen: prolactin ratio increase. Deca def seems to promote high prolactin symptoms in many men, do it's smart to have caber/prami for when this does happen in which case nolva/adex will do nothing for, once prolactin has crept up.

Damn there is so much to know.... i will have to stock up on some of this stuff. I remember lee priest talking about how you have to be careful how many compounds you are using because you really dont know what is doing what.

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[Argon Coagulator]

Damn there is so much to know.... i will have to stock up on some of this stuff. I remember lee priest talking about how you have to be careful how many compounds you are using because you really dont know what is doing what.

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Yeah Lee's right to an extent, but I believe he massively downplays his gear use on that Sam's Fitness channel he's on. I don't care how elite your genetics are you don't get that type of size on 400mg of test and 300mg of Deca- that's a laugh! He never talks about contest cutting drugs like Tren which he obviously used plenty of.

What I'm doing is trying Test, Test/Deca, Test/EQ, Test/Deca/EQ. Then I'll probably do test/Tren A, Test/tren E, then I may try mixing Test/Deca with a little Tren E.

Try Test first, then Test + one anabolic. Try all the anabolics that you care to try before adding a third compound. Three compounds will have a greater synergistic effect than two, but like Lee said, you want to recognize what compound does what, FOR YOU.

 

[Captiannogainz]

Yeah Lee's right to an extent, but I believe he massively downplays his gear use on that Sam's Fitness channel he's on. I don't care how elite your genetics are you don't get that type of size on 400mg of test and 300mg of Deca- that's a laugh! He never talks about contest cutting drugs like Tren which he obviously used plenty of.

What I'm doing is trying Test, Test/Deca, Test/EQ, Test/Deca/EQ. Then I'll probably do test/Tren A, Test/tren E, then I may try mixing Test/Deca with a little Tren E.

Try Test first, then Test + one anabolic. Try all the anabolics that you care to try before adding a third compound. Three compounds will have a greater synergistic effect than two, but like Lee said, you want to recognize what compound does what, FOR YOU.

I have to agree with you there. I like sams channel. But i do believe that while lee is more honest than most that he is probably not telling the whole story. I now alot of drugs depend on the size of the person. So one dose for one is not necessarily a good dose for another. Since I am on the smaller side and have never cycled. i figure I will just try to blast in 1cc of test cyp for 12 week ls and keep using arididex keeping nolva on hand just in case symptoms arise and see how my body responds then go from there. Not looking for earth shattering results but I hoping to net 6-10 of lean mass.

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[Captiannogainz]

Yeah Lee's right to an extent, but I believe he massively downplays his gear use on that Sam's Fitness channel he's on. I don't care how elite your genetics are you don't get that type of size on 400mg of test and 300mg of Deca- that's a laugh! He never talks about contest cutting drugs like Tren which he obviously used plenty of.

What I'm doing is trying Test, Test/Deca, Test/EQ, Test/Deca/EQ. Then I'll probably do test/Tren A, Test/tren E, then I may try mixing Test/Deca with a little Tren E.

Try Test first, then Test + one anabolic. Try all the anabolics that you care to try before adding a third compound. Three compounds will have a greater synergistic effect than two, but like Lee said, you want to recognize what compound does what, FOR YOU.

Alot of you guys have great advise i spoke to others outside the forum and they want to throw the whole pharmacy at you first cycle...

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[Argon Coagulator]

I have to agree with you there. I like sams channel. But i do believe that while lee is more honest than most that he is probably not telling the whole story. I now alot of drugs depend on the size of the person. So one dose for one is not necessarily a good dose for another. Since I am on the smaller side and have never cycled. i figure I will just try to blast in 1cc of test cyp for 12 week ls and keep using arididex keeping nolva on hand just in case symptoms arise and see how my body responds then go from there. Not looking for earth shattering results but I hoping to net 6-10 of lean mass.

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That's the right outlook to have there. Use the least amount needed to make significant/noticeable gains. For your bodyweight 1cc should provide some decent gains as long as it's quality stuff.

 

[ketsugo]

Diet just keep eating high quality protein, good fats and quality carbs . What is your training like ? Do compound movements that hit large muscle groups ie squats , bench , military press, deads pyramid after warm up to like 8-12 reps always trying to increase. Reps slow up slower down.
However sounds like you got it anyway!
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[ketsugo]

Damn there is so much to know.... i will have to stock up on some of this stuff. I remember lee priest talking about how you have to be careful how many compounds you are using because you really dont know what is doing what.

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True - you don’t need many . Because your diet and training make you . All aas assist in recovery and nitrogen retention all in some variation test . Argulator made great points too. Especially that everyone responds sometimes different. So use least amount you need to progress. Do regular lab work too

 

[Captiannogainz]

Diet just keep eating high quality protein, good fats and quality carbs . What is your training like ? Do compound movements that hit large muscle groups ie squats , bench , military press, deads pyramid after warm up to like 8-12 reps always trying to increase. Reps slow up slower down.
However sounds like you got it anyway!
Welcome to HCU get one for us 50 plus young guys

Thanks ketsugo, i think the main problem lies in my diet i seem too have a hard time staying in a clean surplus. Whenever i feel like i am not lean enough i go back on a cut. So I never stay in a gaining period for more than a few months.. my training is focused around mainly compound lift. I dont lift as heavy as i used too i am trying to get a better mind muscle connecton and really work the muscle... I know i have alot to learn..

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[Serpico]

Whats your blast cycle ?

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My blast cycle is 16 weeks on ...4 weeks off just TRT TEST C 250 WEEKLY
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[Superted99]

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