Let's Talk DHB and Stacking

[Gymrattt1]

I'm still gonna try it again because I have more, don't want to trash it and am far too paranoid to ship it out to anyone. There has to be some way to get some kind of use out of it.

Yeah I feel you on that issue!! 2.5 years ago I tore a rotater! My only major injury ever and when I was able to train 100% full speed I had a lot of tren base and anadrol sitting on the shelf for a while and gave it a shot, I don't get into major bulking cycles anymore and do lean bulks, adding the extra 20lbs of fluid means nothing and does nothing but harm (pressure on the heart and BP), you are stronger but I'm already super strong, and I must say with all my knowledge and bb experience I really didn't get but maybe 10lbs of dry muscle after the water came off, and it was a miserable ass cycles, 6 months later I ran 1000mg primo acetate, with 800 deca npp, and 250 cyp, and gained 22lbs dry gains and got all the muscle I had lost during my shoulder surgery, I had hoped that the drol and tren would shock my body as I haven't ran a high androgen cycle in some time, but it really was a waste of time 12 weeks and the detox time 12 weeks, most guys put a lot af cash into a cycle (gear and nutrition) and not getting much accomplished can be a set back mentality!, just stay focused on your goals in the gym, and don't let it effect the rest of your life outside the gym, I've been there bro! Stay strong!!!

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[Solocom]

Yeah I feel you on that issue!! 2.5 years ago I tore a rotater! My only major injury ever and when I was able to train 100% full speed I had a lot of tren base and anadrol sitting on the shelf for a while and gave it a shot, I don't get into major bulking cycles anymore and do lean bulks, adding the extra 20lbs of fluid means nothing and does nothing but harm (pressure on the heart and BP), you are stronger but I'm already super strong, and I must say with all my knowledge and bb experience I really didn't ger but maybe 10lbs of dry muscle after the water came off, and it was a miserable ass cycles, 6 months later I ran 1000mg primo acetate, with 800 deca npp, and 250 cyp, and gained 22lbs dry gains and got all the muscle I had lost during my shoulder surgery, I had hoped that the drol and tren would shock my body as I haven't ran a high androgen cycle in some time, but it really was a waste of time 12 weeks and the detox time 12 weeks, most guys put a lot af cash into a cycle (gear and nutrition) and not getting much accomplished can be a set back mentality!, just stay focused on your goals in the gym, and don't let it effect the rest of your life outside the gym, I've been there bro! Stay strong!!!

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How do you feel about cruising between cycles on a low dose of primo and test? Maybe something like 125mg test and 200mg primo?

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[Gymrattt1]

How do you feel about cruising between cycles on a low dose of primo and test? Maybe something like 125mg test and 200mg primo?

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That's an excellent question brother!! First you have to look where are you health wise (mainly heart) and cholesterol, you age is crucial, never coming off completely could be detrimental if there is a health risk!, now 125 test is a trt dose, and primo is the safest compound, with the lowest impact on the lipids, my opinion is that if you are healthy that that combination is a effective bridging technique, many professionals will follow this path to avoid any loss of hard earned muscle, but in the my clinic all professionals have some damaging to the heart and arteries, which becomes a risk to benefit issue for them, bro if you are healthy I think that combo is safe and effective bridge, myself I always come off everything and upgrade my receptors (they will downgrade over time) and bring back my insulin sensitivity up as high as possible (we all lose insulin sensitivity as we age) and cycles lower them even more! Brother if you're healthy than that combo is effective!!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

Tren 6 weeks I am good. I use with lower test and have no sided except for gas and indigestion... bile empty from stomach slows with progest and prolactin. Take all cabar or whatever it's selective to tissue tren and cabar both. For stomach these issues the opposite is given metoclopramide..
Tren is for cutting.... can give small look with test lower too but primo anavar helps..

DHB good dry gains primo too with moderate test.

As said test and deca gains bulk on t3/t4 can get lean with size.

Hgh plus all church is out!!!

And orals should be Avoided!! Except anavar.

Anadrol screwed my lipids up not touching till they good again.

But test is test and never becomes less active from no steroid, it only makes sides worse in all of too high... very unhealthy and causes BP issues.

My bp perfect even on tren I use prop 50mg a day Tren ace 75mg to 100 a day
No issues bp perfect. Take whole Cialis it's 90/50.... lol!! And still that is fine.
Best signs are bp high number lower than 120 and bottom under 60 means arteries clear. Cardio and hiit do the trick after time.

My average BP is 110/60 heart rate on my adderall 74 lower after dose wears off...
I use Cialis 10mg a day though on blast.

Mostly use primo mast low mod test.
Deca now and then tren only cut....
Low body fat less water good BP with cardio.

Tren and test high. Never again BP high.
Tren higher than test BP low it's like diuretic control!!!
No craziness drink coconut water.
Those cows are given it with estro combo for reason and on line to be slaughtered while being treated for all parasites

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[Gymrattt1]

Excellent BP bro for your level of expertise!!, for most sodium and potassium intake will balance out high BP, unless it's hereditary!!!

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[Thehogstwrs]

I'm with you on that point bro!, most of my peers In bodybuilding agree with you and I, tren is only used by most professionals for pre contest only (I have never gained more than 10lbs of muscle with tren and that was only once) mostly the younger generation of bodybuilding has the preconceived belief that tren is the all mighty king!, yes on paper (500/500) anabolic to androgenic ratio but in reality it's not the best for mass gains!, that title goes to its 19 nor brother (deca), the reason behind that is all steroids are judged on how well they bind to the androgen receptor, tren binds at (91%) and deca has the highest affinity of all (93%) anadrol (the most baffling to scientists) has the lowest (1%) judging a compound on its side effects for strength is laughable! trust me when I say that I know what all the elite bodybuilders are using for mass its deca and primo (anadrol and dbol not as much as you would think mostly early in a career ) thier liver would never make it through a lengthy career in bodybuilding. Tren is only added for pre contest! Tren's true power lies in it's ability over nutrient partitioning , making the best choice for recomp cycles that is why it's giving to cattle (gain muscle and lose fat) farmers can make better use of the feed giving to them keeping the feed costs down. In humans tren makes better use of protein, carbs and fats! But not for mass gains. tren is by far the most overrated Steroid in the younger generation for mass, That's where the bro science comes in, most athletes learn the hard way with tren! stick with deca and primo (or dhb) for your anabolic compounds with low dose test and you can grow as much as you want (I'm 291lbs) trust me!, add tren only to cut for 8 weeks only because it downgrades real fast!, the power of its binding affinity is its own worst enemy in the end!! Tren has major effects on the brain (by effecting fluids) it will bring out the worst in you!! Hope this helps you out brother!!!

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I never noticed any mental or depression issues with tren. Hell it makes me feel great. Now I do know it can happen. Had a friend go fucking bat shit crazy on it. Beat his wife, kicked holes in the dry wall all over his house, shit like that.

Not to mention that I could eat like a complete fatt ass and still look ripped. It's completely addictive in that way for me.

 

[biggc1]

I never noticed any mental or depression issues with tren. Hell it makes me feel great. Now I do know it can happen. Had a friend go fucking bat shit crazy on it. Beat his wife, kicked holes in the dry wall all over his house, shit like that.

Not to mention that I could eat like a complete fatt ass and still look ripped. It's completely addictive in that way for me.

I only ran 500mg of ace but I didnt get any of those negative sides either.

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[Solocom]

That's an excellent question brother!! First you have to look where are you health wise (mainly heart) and cholesterol, you age is crucial, never coming off completely could be detrimental if there is a health risk!, now 125 test is a trt dose, and primo is the safest compound, with the lowest impact on the lipids, my opinion is that if you are healthy that that combination is a effective bridging technique, many professionals will follow this path to avoid any loss of hard earned muscle, but in the my clinic all professionals have some damaging to the heart and arteries, which becomes a risk to benefit issue for them, bro if you are healthy I think that combo is safe and effective bridge, myself I always come off everything and upgrade my receptors (they will downgrade over time) and bring back my insulin sensitivity up as high as possible (we all lose insulin sensitivity as we age) and cycles lower them even more! Brother if you're healthy than that combo is effective!!!

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You've convinced me to come off brother. I have some very mild dialed cardiomyopathy with an ejection fraction of 53. BP is usually fine, and no signs of blockages in arteries. Sounds like I need to be taking time off to be safe. Thanks again man!

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[Gymrattt1]

I only ran 500mg of ace but I didnt get any of those negative sides either.

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What I have learned about tren is that it will bring the worst out in you!, you inner most character, if you are a asshole in normal every day life it will enhance that character fault, if you are a laid back, thoughtful, friendly person you won't see any changes, but we all know people who are total dick heads, the guy's who start shit! Those are the ones tren turns into demons!!!

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[Gymrattt1]

You've convinced me to come off brother. I have some very mild dialed cardiomyopathy with an ejection fraction of 53. BP is usually fine, and no signs of blockages in arteries. Sounds like I need to be taking time off to be safe. Thanks again man!

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It's a good idea to take a break brother! I normally run 12 weeks on and 16 weeks off!, and your still OK with the EG of 53, I see many bb who are way lower than that, I'm lower than that, it's any heart enlargement that is the worst issue! Cardio is a must! The nitric oxide will reduce the pressure on the arteries and the heart won't have to work as hard, aspirin, co q 10, and omega 3's are a good idea! Also gw 501516 will help the heart work easier bro!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

I never noticed any mental or depression issues with tren. Hell it makes me feel great. Now I do know it can happen. Had a friend go fucking bat shit crazy on it. Beat his wife, kicked holes in the dry wall all over his house, shit like that.

Not to mention that I could eat like a complete fatt ass and still look ripped. It's completely addictive in that way for me.

With test higher impatients starts... agitation, high bp when blowing off handle..
It's test that floats around to aromatase in my option. Tren binds stronger to androgenic receptors. I guess it depends on aromatase. But for tren I believe the CNS and selective tissues it binds to androgenic receptors and aggression comes.
Test with high estro alone causes anxiety..

I never had mental sides either but what happened one time is test was high as usually back then. I was on tren e 600wk test e 750wk and boom, I was not giving in and u notice that tren my use makes her hormones bitchy. She wouldn't give in with disagreements and me either... next everything in out past began to eat at me and i would talk to myself about how fucked up things were... blow off handle BP was too high to check no way... took week off work and let esters clear lower and got off tren...

Tried again with tren ace high test same...
Used lower test to tren fine...
Now I use equal amounts of prop and ace and when sides start I Lower prop..

Mental wasn't crazy, it was things eating at me I would allow. Nothing more but who does that!!!! I was living in comfort of fuelling a fire that had been put out long ago about things even from 7 years before....

I only use tren on short 4-6 week cuts.. if it's for contest then 8 weeks and gotta stop 2 days around 4 weeks cause stomach, gas, indigestion, constipation... I started 400 magnesium again every nite I forgot Adderal depletes it and I took mag years to replenish. I need adhd meds... always have. So my sides like with tren can be related to CNS from both tren and adderall??
Don't know lower test fixes.

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[Gymrattt1]

With test higher impatients starts... agitation, high bp when blowing off handle..
It's test that floats around to aromatase in my option. Tren binds stronger to androgenic receptors. I guess it depends on aromatase. But for tren I believe the CNS and selective tissues it binds to androgenic receptors and aggression comes.
Test with high estro alone causes anxiety..

I never had mental sides either but what happened one time is test was high as usually back then. I was on tren e 600wk test e 750wk and boom, I was not giving in and u notice that tren my use makes her hormones bitchy. She wouldn't give in with disagreements and me either... next everything in out past began to eat at me and i would talk to myself about how fucked up things were... blow off handle BP was too high to check no way... took week off work and let esters clear lower and got off tren...

Tried again with tren ace high test same...
Used lower test to tren fine...
Now I use equal amounts of prop and ace and when sides start I Lower prop..

Mental wasn't crazy, it was things eating at me I would allow. Nothing more but who does that!!!! I was living in comfort of fuelling a fire that had been put out long ago about things even from 7 years before....

I only use tren on short 4-6 week cuts.. if it's for contest then 8 weeks and gotta stop 2 days around 4 weeks cause stomach, gas, indigestion, constipation... I started 400 magnesium again every nite I forgot Adderal depletes it and I took mag years to replenish. I need adhd meds... always have. So my sides like with tren can be related to CNS from both tren and adderall??
Don't know lower test fixes.

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Yeah bro I feel you on the being impatient on high test, most of my gym buds get high anxiety!! For me I'm more moody, and my patients notice the changes, I'm much shorter with them and I need to show compassion always!! No more tren for me!!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

So update on DHB.
Running thru TRT bloods
Test cyp 100wk
Test prop 50mg MWF will drop soon.
Mast e 200wk
Primo 525wk
DHB 700wk
Hgh 3.3iu upon rising

Will lower DHB and primo both to 400 two weeks before bloods and may be not..
Prop will drop soon 100mg Test cyp just had no energy never do... 200-250wk works

DHB been on since Black Friday came off mini tren 4 week recomp cut and bad stomach bug lost 10lbs in 3 days. So tren made me no energy weak too with lowering test..

Update night sweats again last night. Not having any pip but mixing what's above in pin the primo at least and use where prop or test c and mast cut it on right days between prop.
It's 100mg/ml DHB pip did exist first few days nothing bad!!! But strength sure up. I pop 50mg anavar pre-workout too with 50mg proviron to help strength. Anavar had never affected liver or lipids for myself not even 6 months straight up to bloods..

But DHB like time before I gaining dry size but look is not like tren. It's bigger look so far and not watery but not grainy. Not dieting either to cut...

I am doing hiit workouts non stop burst 3 set 3 movements circuts. Only rest first main exercise for 90 sec then tempo is up pause rest between next burst only... Cardio getting better too.

DHB stacking well with primo the rest is to get by for bloods. But will cruise with this after bloods and keep test between 150-200 do as till Febuary at least.

I wish I can use DHB with higher test atm around 600-900wk and would be good. With primo include.

DHB I can cut with it with test 400-600wk and mast 700wk proviron 75mg and anavar 75mg.
Winny at end only. This is my feel of it. But not saying 5% cut but 7-8% definately. With t3/t4 and Hgh definately can cut to 5% with this stack mentioned.

For dry size my feel is test 700wk DHB 700wk primo 700wk
More size test 700mg/wk deca 400-600mg/wk DHB 700mg/wk t

And if above 40 like myself generic hgh 3.3iu and cruise 5iu and blast t3/t4 I have adjusted using hgh without it.. and when or if I do use t3/t4 I start low on Novothyral mix 20/100 t3/t4. I have added 12.5mcg Tirromel to it too all vital signs I monitor and make sure heart rate good and get to that dose slowly. I am on Adderall so gotta watch 2 together.

As far as stacking and update that is what I got ATM!! I am growing right now doing this cruise bridging type thing with it. I stay on TRT at least 100mg and mast 200mg a week always!!! I add primo 400wk alot too and now DHB. Yeah running higher primo and DHB but trying this out. I am hoping to run easy year with mostly primo and DHB some deca one round of tren not doing any competing ATM for nothing. May get photo gig if so will use famous cut stack TestMastTren....

But I see potinual for good clean size with DHB. For cutting something more androgenic I like in mix!!!

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[Kins]

Not sure I mentioned here, but when I was on tren my vitals were nearly perfect, which is strange because on most AAS they are not. I was on 600mg/wk at these times when I had two different doctors appointments. I was using GW while I was on it also that may have helped. It was mostly being paranoid at night and being not able to sleep, which that in itself can cause issues. If I was able to sleep I'd probably be fine on it. I do have medication for panic attacks that helps me sleep but it's not something meant to be taken daily. The days I took it I was fine, but like with any drug if you take it too much it starts losing effects. The way I see it, it doesn't make sense to constantly chase the side effects of one drug with another one. It's a never ending battle. Oh and I actually gave up all coffee and caffeine while I was on Tren.

 

[Solocom]

It's a good idea to take a break brother! I normally run 12 weeks on and 16 weeks off!, and your still OK with the EG of 53, I see many bb who are way lower than that, I'm lower than that, it's any heart enlargement that is the worst issue! Cardio is a must! The nitric oxide will reduce the pressure on the arteries and the heart won't have to work as hard, aspirin, co q 10, and omega 3's are a good idea! Also gw 501516 will help the heart work easier bro!!

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I used those test results as a wake up call. Now I'm doing about 15 minutes of cardio after every workout, which could be better but is better than nothing. I started co q 10, fish oil, k2+d3, and hawthorne berry. I need to incorporate the gw back in. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge brother!

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[Gymrattt1]

I used those test results as a wake up call. Now I'm doing about 15 minutes of cardio after every workout, which could be better but is better than nothing. I started co q 10, fish oil, k2+d3, and hawthorne berry. I need to incorporate the gw back in. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge brother!

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Your welcome brother!!

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[Gymrattt1]

Not sure I mentioned here, but when I was on tren my vitals were nearly perfect, which is strange because on most AAS they are not. I was on 600mg/wk at these times when I had two different doctors appointments. I was using GW while I was on it also that may have helped. It was mostly being paranoid at night and being not able to sleep, which that in itself can cause issues. If I was able to sleep I'd probably be fine on it. I do have medication for panic attacks that helps me sleep but it's not something meant to be taken daily. The days I took it I was fine, but like with any drug if you take it too much it starts losing effects. The way I see it, it doesn't make sense to constantly chase the side effects of one drug with another one. It's a never ending battle. Oh and I actually gave up all coffee and caffeine while I was on Tren.

Yeah bro!, it was the gw!!, that stuff doubles cardio output by taking the work load off the heart, drops BP by 10 points!!, and slows the heart rate!! That's why it's banned from all professional sports!!!

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[OHBRUTUSIO]

I run 1-Test w Tren, Test, and TBol. Probably my favorite stack. Mix ur 1-test or ull be hating the pip


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[OHBRUTUSIO]

Not sure I mentioned here, but when I was on tren my vitals were nearly perfect, which is strange because on most AAS they are not. I was on 600mg/wk at these times when I had two different doctors appointments. I was using GW while I was on it also that may have helped. It was mostly being paranoid at night and being not able to sleep, which that in itself can cause issues. If I was able to sleep I'd probably be fine on it. I do have medication for panic attacks that helps me sleep but it's not something meant to be taken daily. The days I took it I was fine, but like with any drug if you take it too much it starts losing effects. The way I see it, it doesn't make sense to constantly chase the side effects of one drug with another one. It's a never ending battle. Oh and I actually gave up all coffee and caffeine while I was on Tren.

Hey man I have a prescription thats like benadryl on steroids thats non habit forming and will knock u out. Ill send ya a few to try if u wanna see if it helps.


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[Kins]

Hey man I have a prescription thats like benadryl on steroids thats non habit forming and will knock u out. Ill send ya a few to try if u wanna see if it helps.


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Yeah bro I take the same thing. I just didn't want to take it every night. As it is now I'm up to 1.5 tabs, sometimes every other night. 1 tab just doesn't work for me anymore.