Isolates OR Hydrolyzed

[HoRRoRT]

Can someone please inform me which protein is better?

 

[01dragonslayer]

The two most common forms are whey concentrate and whey isolate

The main difference is that isolates are more pure than concentrates, meaning other non-protein components have been partially removed to “isolate” the whey protein. Many concentrates are 80% protein, which means on a dry basis, 80% of the total weight is protein. As an example, 100g of whey concentrate contains about 400 calories, 82g of protein along with about 9g of carbohydrates (about half is lactose), 6g of fat and 150 mg of cholesterol.

Whey isolates are typically about 92% protein (dry basis), meaning you get more protein per equivalent dose. The same 100g of whey isolate delivers less calories (about 370 calories), but with more protein (92g) and considerably less total carbohydrate, lactose, fat and cholesterol.
Most whey concentrates and isolates are available as intact proteins, but either can be also hydrolyzed.

Hydrolysates have been partially broken down by exposing the protein to heat, acid or enzymes that break apart the bonds linking amino acids. This makes it taste more bitter, but also allows it to absorb more rapidly than a concentrate or isolate. Concentrates and isolates are already fast-digesting, so a hydrolysate, which digests minimally faster, may not be worth the taste tradeoff and extra cost for the small benefit.

Whey protein in any of its forms has an excellent digestibility and amino acid profile. Since isolates and hydrolyzed proteins are more expensive, most whey supplement makers add very little of them to their formulas, if any.

As long as you don’t mind the few extra grams of carbohydrates and fat, and you’re not lactose intolerant, whey concentrates are the most economical choice and are clearly the best selling form of whey protein on the market.

 

[01dragonslayer]

Whey Isolate - Whey protein isolate is created when whey concentrate (the most basic form of whey protein) is microfiltered removing basically everything that isn't protein. This means you are left with more pure protein without fats and even lactose.

Hydrolyzed Whey - Hydrolyzed whey goes through an addition process where the protein is exposed to heat, acid or enzymes that break down the bonds hold amino acids together. Protein makers typically claim this process 'pre-digests' the protein which enhances bioavailability, making it digest faster and increases protein synthesis.

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The Science

Digestion Speed - There is simply no conclusive scientific evidence supporting claims that hydrolyzed whey digests faster than isolate. Whey in general is a very fast absorbing protein, spiking aminos in the blood only 40-60mins after consumption. Even if we were to assume hydrolyzed whey DID absorb and digest faster, there would be no additional benefit.

Bioavailability - Whey already has a bioavailability of 96%+, meaning the percentage of protein actually digested when it is consumed. There are currently no studies showing hydrolyzed whey has a higher bioavailability than whey isolate or concentrate. So even if we were to assume hydrolyzed whey had an unrealistic 100% bioavailability rate, it would still only be 4% better than basic whey.
The Facts

Whey Isolate removes almost all unwanted fats and carbs, including lactose. Hydrolyzed does remove all fats and lactose which is beneficial if you are hyper sensitive (can't have any) to lactose. Unlike hydrolyzed, the filtration process for isolates (if non-ionized) is able to maintain all the natural and beneficial micro fractions found naturally in milk.

These micro fractions have many benefits including; improved digestion, mood, immune system and more. Hydrolyzed whey also has a very unpleasant, bitter taste, that is typically masked with a hefty dose of sweeteners and sugar. Isolate has a very smooth taste with little to no aftertaste.

 

[01dragonslayer]

Hope these posts helped. I personally like to use isolate as it is absorbed better, mixes well and I can get it for nearly the same price as concentrate.

 

[HoRRoRT]

Thanks for that dragon, it def help with how each are made, have there been any study's to show which is better for building muscle?

 

[gbb_04]

I've tried all 3 forms many many times.. From cheap brands to the hIgh dollar stuff. Never noticed a difference as far as muscle recovery. The cheap stuff does give me some raunchy gas lol. In my opinion, as long you're consuming enough protein you're body is gonna build muscle all the same.

 

[01dragonslayer]

IMO whey is by far the best the most easily absorbed and digested. The real difference between concentrate, isolate and hydrolyzed is purity. When you buy a protein powder your intention is to buy protein, not carbs and not fat. Therefore to be considered a good whey protein the product MUST list whey protein isolate or hydrolyzed whey protein isolate as the very first ingredient. That’s because whey protein isolates are the purest form of protein you can get, with some being more than 90% protein. And “hydrolyzed whey protein isolate” means that that high-quality whey has been pre-digested into smaller protein fragments for even faster digestion than regular whey isolate. Whey protein concentrate, on the other hand, goes through less filtering, which means fewer of the natural carbohydrates found in milk are removed. The result is a whey product that is much lower in protein content. Although most whey protein concentrates are somewhere between 70-80% protein, some can be less than 35% protein. This is why most companies make a big deal about their whey protein isolate powders. (This is also why isolates and hydrolysates generally cost more.)

So really its kinda like a matter of personal preference. Isolates and hydrolyzed are by far purer but can be pricey. If you can find an isolate at or near the price of a concentrate then you are getting more 'bang-for-your' so to speak. Usually isolates are a minimum 90% and hydrolyzed 94/95/96ish%.

 

[Kins]

I drink protein once in a while but all forms of whey bother by stomach. Would much rather have steak and eggs than some nasty protein drink anyway. I used to drink a lot of it when I was younger. I remember getting 5 pounds for around $20. Now it's double that or more. Just really not worth it.

 

[npnutrition]

I've tried all 3 forms many many times.. From cheap brands to the hIgh dollar stuff. Never noticed a difference as far as muscle recovery. The cheap stuff does give me some raunchy gas lol. In my opinion, as long you're consuming enough protein you're body is gonna build muscle all the same.

I asked the same question to someone who holds a MS in nutrition and told me: protein is protein, doesn't matter if it's hydrolized or concentrate.

But as you say, the cheapest destroys the stomach and you can't tolerate yourself with your gas hahahhaa

 

[NOSNMIVEINS]

true nutrition whey isolate is the ONLY protein my gut can handle that doesn't cause problems like gas, bloating, running immediately to the bathroom.

my suggestion is find a protein that 1) taste pleasant 2) your stomach has no issues with.........and stick with it.

 

[Nutpuncher]

I used to drink protein shakes religiously. I decided to not purchase any protein powder or RTD and replaced w/ raw egg white shake. I can't tell any difference and I wouldn't know what to look for lol. The major difference that I found w/ protein powder is that not all are created equally. The cheap ones gives my atomic ass-gas that folks would think there is a natural gas leak.

However, I've heard that high level BB competitors adjust the type of protein as the days get closer to game day. But some say protein is protein and test is test and 100mg/ml Tren Ace is same as 100mg/ml Component TH Tren Ace.........

 

[HoRRoRT]

I used to drink protein shakes religiously. I decided to not purchase any protein powder or RTD and replaced w/ raw egg white shake. I can't tell any difference and I wouldn't know what to look for lol. The major difference that I found w/ protein powder is that not all are created equally. The cheap ones gives my atomic ass-gas that folks would think there is a natural gas leak.

However, I've heard that high level BB competitors adjust the type of protein as the days get closer to game day. But some say protein is protein and test is test and 100mg/ml Tren Ace is same as 100mg/ml Component TH Tren Ace.........

Lol, you need to do blue darts with gas that bad!!! I love have stinky farts! My favorite one is farting in your hand cupping it and asking my wife hay hun smell my new cologne and she comes in to take a wiff and I open my hand boom hahahah funniest shit.. I feel you I always got that WITH WAL MART protein!! but I'm using a hydro right now and I don't have any problems with gas

 

[npnutrition]

I used to drink protein shakes religiously. I decided to not purchase any protein powder or RTD and replaced w/ raw egg white shake. I can't tell any difference and I wouldn't know what to look for lol. The major difference that I found w/ protein powder is that not all are created equally. The cheap ones gives my atomic ass-gas that folks would think there is a natural gas leak.

However, I've heard that high level BB competitors adjust the type of protein as the days get closer to game day. But some say protein is protein and test is test and 100mg/ml Tren Ace is same as 100mg/ml Component TH Tren Ace.........

I agree with your opinion, not alla protein powders are created equal, cheaper protein powders will give you gas and bloating sensation, but it's because they have more lactose so a protein with less content of it won't give you that sensation.

I don't encourge to drink/eat raw eggs because the body won't absorb it, you need to heat the egg to destroy a component that prevents its absortion.

 

[HoRRoRT]

I agree with your opinion, not alla protein powders are created equal, cheaper protein powders will give you gas and bloating sensation, but it's because they have more lactose so a protein with less content of it won't give you that sensation.

I don't encourge to drink/eat raw eggs because the body won't absorb it, you need to heat the egg to destroy a component that prevents its absortion.

What about the egg whites from cosco that come in like a container of 4, are those one ok to drink?

 

[Ricnixon]

I agree with your opinion, not alla protein powders are created equal, cheaper protein powders will give you gas and bloating sensation, but it's because they have more lactose so a protein with less content of it won't give you that sensation.

I don't encourge to drink/eat raw eggs because the body won't absorb it, you need to heat the egg to destroy a component that prevents its absortion.

I think he means pasteurized egg whites...... at least I hope so lol.

Although I do drink protein shakes when I'm in a hurry usually with oats..... I would stick to as much real food as possible. Try to limit them to once a day 2 max.

 

[npnutrition]

What about the egg whites from cosco that come in like a container of 4, are those one ok to drink?

Even though they are pasteurizated you still need to cook them, the component I mentioned earlier is called avidin, is an anti-nutrtient that prevents the absortion of the protein contained in eggs.

 

[Ricnixon]

Can someone please inform me which protein is better?

You know what brother in my experience not one is better than the other. It's kinda what your stomach can tolerate. Some guys I know can't drink isolate others can't do whey..... myself I have an egg intolerance. So we all gotta kinda find what works.

I will say that me personally......no protein powder has ever changed my physique, but chicken beef and fish sure as hell have lol.

 

[Ricnixon]

Even though they are pasteurizated you still need to cook them, the component I mentioned earlier is called avidin, is an anti-nutrtient that prevents the absortion of the protein contained in eggs.

Interesting. Curious if this avidin could be related to my egg intolerance.

 

[npnutrition]

Interesting. Curious if this avidin could be related to my egg intolerance.

Maybe, but I think it's due to another componen called ovomacroglobulin is the main component related to egg alergies

 

[npnutrition]

You know what brother in my experience not one is better than the other. It's kinda what your stomach can tolerate. Some guys I know can't drink isolate others can't do whey..... myself I have an egg intolerance. So we all gotta kinda find what works.

I will say that me personally......no protein powder has ever changed my physique, but chicken beef and fish sure as hell have lol.

That's right, you have to experiment and find what works for you, some people can tolerate great amounts of food per meal others don't.

I always put this example when people ask me if they should be drinking protein powder:

Let's say you weight 150 lbs and I say you need to eat 10 oz of chicken breast per meal 3 times a day, inmediately they say it's a lot they can't tolerate, now let's say you should eat 5 oz and a shake, sounds more plausible to eat. That's when you have to use them, as a complement to reach your daily requirement, not as a replacement of food, if you can reach it through food I recommend that better.