High mg pip

[Donkeykong]

So I started logging for guy i helped out few times and was super interested in his mix...Its 250 mg test AND 250 TREN so im doin 500/500 2xweek lol... Shit is THICK...now first shot or maybe even second no soreness but now EVERYONE has left me red swollen crippled etc... It passes so hard thru 25 guage...should I use 22? and shoul I heat up pin first??? Any tips??? I cant back out unless I get a fever and abcess then Id say fk off but Im sure its just cuz its so much mg/ml... I used t400 once and that got me once in my quad but this had happened now 4 diff sites yesterday I couldnt bend legs barely

 

[01dragonslayer]

Have you tried cutting it with some sterile oil?

 

[Donkeykong]

NO i didnt think of that... Im not to god at math either so Im thinking there is 5ml left in vial one...how much would you suggest to add? and maybe (if ur better at it than me) what would i use ml wise weekly as well... I could order a sterile jugs to and add them into transfer...

 

[simplecanibus]

Try diluting your dose with B12. Should help immensely. Dealing with something similar myself.


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[Hevi-head]

Try diluting your dose with B12. Should help immensely. Dealing with something similar myself.


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You have oil based b12?
All I've ever seen is water based and I wouldn't mix it with oil although I've heard of guys mixing water based winny with oils.

 

[01dragonslayer]

NO i didnt think of that... Im not to god at math either so Im thinking there is 5ml left in vial one...how much would you suggest to add? and maybe (if ur better at it than me) what would i use ml wise weekly as well... I could order a sterile jugs to and add them into transfer...

Well you could start off with 1ml:1/2ml ratio. If its still too painful try 1:1 ratio.

 

[Kins]

Heat up the vials on pan. Put pan on burner turn on medium. Heat up 4-5 minutes, till vial is hot to touch. Careful taking it of, might want to use oven mitts. Make sure to draw up when vial is still hot. Use a 23G to pin it. Do this every time.

 

[simplecanibus]

I know oil and water don’t mix, but it’s worked for me. If you want to minimize pip, never go over 1ml. If you’re injecting 1TC, ONLY go over 1ml in your glutes and you’ll regret it for 4 weeks, period.


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[Kins]

I know oil and water don’t mix, but it’s worked for me. If you want to minimize pip, never go over 1ml. If you’re injecting 1TC, ONLY go over 1ml in your glutes and you’ll regret it for 4 weeks, period.


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I've gone over 1ml all the time and hardly ever get any pip. Oil and water don't mix, so you're obviously not going make the oil any thinner by adding water to it. The only way to make the oil thinner is by heating it.

 

[TheMuscleMan]

You have oil based b12?
All I've ever seen is water based and I wouldn't mix it with oil although I've heard of guys mixing water based winny with oils.

I have mixed water based and oil based together in the same pin many times. There is nothing wrong with mixing the two in the same pin, it won't do anything negative to you and it won't do anything negative to the gear. The myth a long time ago was air bubbles in the pin between the oil and water and the assumption that you will die from it but that was dispelled long ago with tests done on lab rats where they were injected with full syringes of air and did not die. There are probably other rumors and myths about mixing oil and water based together but I can tell you from doing it countless times over the years that it isn't going to cause anything negative to happen.

Thanks
TMM

 

[Donkeykong]

I know oil and water don’t mix, but it’s worked for me. If you want to minimize pip, never go over 1ml. If you’re injecting 1TC, ONLY go over 1ml in your glutes and you’ll regret it for 4 weeks, period.


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Yeah I think it really isnt the amount but the concentration...Your other advise to cut with soemthing like DragonSlayer suggested as well makes good sense... I dont mind mixing oil/water myself. I'd prob stick to oil though since if I order itll be just as easy to grab either... Im first going to try guage and heat along with massaging the shit out of it... So weird the first shots didnt do anything but since then everyones crippled me...Tempted to hit delts as then I can still squat and dead and maybe even bench but the smaller size muscles might blow the fk up lol...This is 2x as rough as the T400 I used awhile back... Absolutely insane but its week 3 long esters and ive already gotten size strength gains somehow....

 

[simplecanibus]

I've gone over 1ml all the time and hardly ever get any pip. Oil and water don't mix, so you're obviously not going make the oil any thinner by adding water to it. The only way to make the oil thinner is by heating it.

Do you mean you go over 1ml with 1TC or only other compounds? I can do 3mls of just about compound in any normal injectable spot, but with 1TC it’s sort of a death wish. Gotta pick your most resilient areas.


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[Kins]

Do you mean you go over 1ml with 1TC or only other compounds? I can do 3mls of just about compound in any normal injectable spot, but with 1TC it’s sort of a death wish. Gotta pick your most resilient areas.


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In general, mixed oils.

 

[Kins]

Yeah I think it really isnt the amount but the concentration...Your other advise to cut with soemthing like DragonSlayer suggested as well makes good sense... I dont mind mixing oil/water myself. I'd prob stick to oil though since if I order itll be just as easy to grab either... Im first going to try guage and heat along with massaging the shit out of it... So weird the first shots didnt do anything but since then everyones crippled me...Tempted to hit delts as then I can still squat and dead and maybe even bench but the smaller size muscles might blow the fk up lol...This is 2x as rough as the T400 I used awhile back... Absolutely insane but its week 3 long esters and ive already gotten size strength gains somehow....

It's because it's too thick. You want it thinner so it will go in smoothly. Adding more oil will lower the concentration, yes but it will still be as thick.Not to mention you'll have more volume to inject. The reason it's thick is because it's such a high concentration. So the only way to fix that is to heat it and make it flow more easily. You fix it first with heat, and to make it flow even more easily use a 23 Gauge. So you're doubling down on making it flow more easily. I believe trying to push really thick oil into the muscle just causes more trauma to the muscle increasing the likelihood of pip and pain or swelling post injection.

 

[Kins]

Well I guess it might be a little bit thinner if you add more oil, but I still think heating it before injecting each time is the best solution. Sorry guys, maybe I got a little ahead of myself. Just trying to help out.

 

[Huxy2]

So I started logging for guy i helped out few times and was super interested in his mix...Its 250 mg test AND 250 TREN so im doin 500/500 2xweek lol... Shit is THICK...now first shot or maybe even second no soreness but now EVERYONE has left me red swollen crippled etc... It passes so hard thru 25 guage...should I use 22? and shoul I heat up pin first??? Any tips??? I cant back out unless I get a fever and abcess then Id say fk off but Im sure its just cuz its so much mg/ml... I used t400 once and that got me once in my quad but this had happened now 4 diff sites yesterday I couldnt bend legs barely

i pin using 23 gauge. Draws fast and for the most part not uncomfortable.

 

[01dragonslayer]

Well I guess it might be a little bit thinner if you add more oil, but I still think heating it before injecting each time is the best solution. Sorry guys, maybe I got a little ahead of myself. Just trying to help out.

Not exactly sure what his carrier is in this blend but the different oils have different viscosity. If he can find a thinner oil or maybe use some EO to cut it it may do the job.

 

[Poohbear]

Sounds like to me the gear is crashing in the muscle . This caused by not using enough BB or the hest was not high in the brewing . I'd try cutting it 1 to 1 . So if it's 5ml then added 5ml cutting oil brother .

 

[Kins]

I still say just heat it each time in addition to using a 23G.

 

[Donkeykong]

gonna switch to 23 gauge or 22 if that's all they carry but today went in other glute and heated it up ...prob wont know till tomorrow or possibly after but so far so good...took extremely hot shower then heated syringe (full of 1ml) in hot water under faucet with cap on keeping pointed up letting watre rub away from capped pin the injected and jumped back in fo few more min...