Help with mid cycle bloods

[Mephistopheles7]

I'm headed into week 6 of 150 test c and 500 tren e a wk
.5 caber 2xs a wk .25 Adex 2xs a week

i do blast and cruise and 150 test c is my cruise dose with same adex protocol.

around week three nips started getting puffy and a lump
so I added nolva at 40 a day. And bumped up adex to .25 eod.
soreness went away and felt like I was crashing my estrogen so I back off
Adex for 5 days and got bloods done. I have felt better by the day since stopping adex but
am shocked when I saw blood work


Total test is 554
estrogen is 135???

do you think this is an accurate? Or has the tren thrown off my estrogen level?
i guess I just find it hard to believe that my estrogen is that high on a trt dose
in the past running 500mg test I have no nipple issues and ai dose is .5 2xs a week

last time I ran tren I had this problem towards the end and did not pull bloods but ended my cycle
and within 4 weeks I was fine staying on my cruise dose. Because of this I assumed the issue was caused
by high progestin from the higher dose of tren.

 

[Dt450]

The picture of the bloods is blurry.

Caber is pretty powerful, I don’t think prolactin would be an issue.
Even if estrogen was high. Although it seems to be the consensus you don’t need caber if you have estrogen controlled but if you are taking caber then you’re probably fine especially at 1mg EW. As long as your caber is legit

what do you mean you felt like you were crashing your estrogen? Joints? Poor erections? I find that SHBG is often overlooked, lower SHBG is something people want for the reason of higher free test. But going too low is a problem, and test by itself even in TRT doses lowers SHBG. Mixed in with tren which can lower SHBG by different mechanisms.
1) Lowered T3 decreases SHBG
2) increased triglycerides which tren is notorious for decreases SHBG
Low SHBG is accompanied by higher free estradiol.
So maybe what happened was your SHBG decreased as your cycle continues, which would possibly explain it not happening till mid-end of cycle. And when you increased the Adex if you thought you were tanking estrogen it would’ve decreased the SHBG which would cause even more hormonal imbalance.
Then when you got off Adex your estrogen increased and got your more in your sweet spot.

Damn sorry that was so long.
Or simple as tren is throwing off the number lmao. I can’t see where your test is from but I just read that PrivateMDlabs has given 2 false results for E that I know of. Maybe get tested elsewhere.

 

[Mephistopheles7]

Sorry the picture is blurry lol

test was from private md labs and yes the only reason I upped
the adex was because of the gyno issue... I took .5 the day I noticed and .5 the next day
then went .25 eod shortly after that I lost all my energy had that foggy feeling no erections no morning wood and since I stopped
I feel a lot better. the issue didn't stop til I started running nolva in 3 days sensitivity was gone, I'm almost out
and working on getting some more. But I know that I don't want to continue to run nolva everytime I run tren.
i think I understand what your saying about SHBG if that is the issue how could I combat that?

tbh I thought it had to do with a build up of progesterone, not prolactin. Since tren is a progestin and has the properties
I believe there are reports of it displaying high progesterone side effects in some? I did research on this and I believe what
I read was DHT is supposed to counteract these effects?

do you have any solutions? Lol

 

[Aesthetictech]

did you get the e2 sensitive test? Or just the regular female hormone panel? If you didnt get the sensitive test that could be another reason why the numbers are so wacky.

 

[Mephistopheles7]

Just the female hormone panel. But with that being said this test was 3 weeks after the exact cycle.
Minus the caber and shortly after I crashed my e2 still on 150 test c trt dose. The reason I ran this test
was thinking if it was gonna skew the results it would have on this test as well tren still would have been in my system
when this was ran.

incase its blurry
test was 1143
estrogen was 16

i ran this cycle 16weeks starting at 300 tren for 6. 400 for 4 then 500 to finish.
300 and 400 a week I have no issues once I hit 500 or more it happens in about 2 weeks.

 

[Dt450]

If SHBG is an issue there’s plenty of ways but depending on the issue causing it.
For example if your t3 is low you can supplement t3 in your cycle. Or men that have struggled with TRT working for them saw that doing more frequent pinning made a huge difference. So short esters are ideal. Making sure you don’t tank estrogen too low and keep It optimal levels. I know there’s different aspects of diets that help too..

And I’ve actually never ran tren without mast before so if DHT does counteract it then it works. Cuz my last time I ran tren and mast my progesterone was actually almost too low.

I think the two are very synergistic. I suggest you try your next run with mast and tren together.

 

[Mephistopheles7]

Test tren mast I plan on running in the summer lol I can't wait.
In the mean time I'm gonna try to get some proviron to see if I can straighten this out
worst case I guess I'll continue to run nolva or assume that the estrogen reading
is correct and up my ai again and let everything settle on my cruise maybe a letro reversal if I need it

thank you for your help

 

[Dt450]

No problem! Letro is super effective in shrinking the gyno it just crashes estrogen so hard I think if you can try to combat it with just nolva and adex it would be in your best interest.

Recently developed gyno is super easy to get rid of/shrink to where it’s almost not even noticeable. Save letro for absolute last resort. Sex drive and joints will thank you lol

 

[Mephistopheles7]

Ya I crashed mine before it's awful definitely last resort I'd rather run
nolva longer than crash with letro still 4 months til summer lol

 

[Quix99]

No estro is terrible man. Painful painful joints, dick dont work(worst part), and you get in moods that would make tren agression seem like nothing..well for me atleast. Are you guys sensitve to adex? When i first started trt, .5 mg a week would crash me under 20 on e2. Fuckin painful man