First time - planning things out in advance

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

When I started pinning ed got turned on to it. Slin pins for smaller muscle groups. I use 27-29 gauge 5/8 to 1/2. Have never tried 31gauge

Morning brother, beat me to it..!

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

I have back filled before, just don't care to do it. I use both 5/8, 1/2inch will work fine also. 27-29 gauge. I do draw with a 22 gauge. Hell back when I started in the late 80s I'd inject with a 22 gauge. Some still do. Me, I'd look at it now and think it looks like a harpoon.

Still use 22 to this day, "and" have used 21 1 1/4" several times , I've heard about guys using that harpoon that Redi - jects come with attached.

Now, that's a harpoon Brother.. 18 guage I believe...? Yikes
Ouch...!

 

[ek5.56]

Morning brother, beat me to it..!

Good morning motor

Question on slin pins. You say to backfill as the pins are so small they’ll dull quickly. Does this imply that slin pins don’t have detachable pins from the syringe? Sounds like a newb question, probably is, but I’m confused. Even if I was injecting with something larger I wouldn’t draw and inject with the same needle.

Also, you mention the alcohol soaked tissue. What are you describing here? You mean cover the top of the syringe to keep everything clean? You’re poking through the tissue to backfill?

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

Good morning motor

Question on slin pins. You say to backfill as the pins are so small they’ll dull quickly. Does this imply that slin pins don’t have detachable pins from the syringe? Sounds like a newb question, probably is, but I’m confused. Even if I was injecting with something larger I wouldn’t draw and inject with the same needle.

Also, you mention the alcohol soaked tissue. What are you describing here? You mean cover the top of the syringe to keep everything clean? You’re poking through the tissue to backfill?

First part of Q: there are some (Luer tip type smaller pins available, that you could put onto a 3ml barrel) ,
I'm 26 guauge for instance, their about 3/8" long, maybe 5/8" but still "not" as small as the 29-31 even 27ga. 1/2" or so so you could essentially do a full 2ml, 3 ml shot this way, but in smaller muscle groups, most likely not.

But, to answer "the" question, yes the normal pins sold as diabetic supplies (pins) have a very flat rubber at the tip of the plunger & all contents come out (accuracy) they "have to be accurate to the 1i.u. as the intended compound insulin is measured this way, and they "don't" have a removable tip (dart /pin ) they're molded right to the barrel

Second part Q: , answer: I say Alcohol permeated tissue, cuz some may be too clumbsy, or just not used to holding everythjng, and I didn't want to make it longer and more redundant than it should be//have been..!

I hold the plunger in between a pair if fingers, and keep my empty (plungerless barrel with my thumb and index open end upright { obviously } to fill with 21, 22, 23 etc.

Just saying, if you must set it down, just make certain "yes" it's in a sterile surface ( be creative I guess..? )

Alcohol soaked is just to 1; be sterile, and 2; so as to not get lint, or tissue material on the rubber part, then when re~assembled , or plunge pu back into opening, just tap the sides watch the bubble rises to toward the pin end, this way when you "snap" it back into it's detent, your only pushing about 10 iu worth of air (deadspace ) air into the lid, and not oil, or water (your gear, into the lid )

Pull.lid off, gently purge rest if air if any out, so gear is flush with the area where it flows into the needle, and
"Whalla" pick up your little alchohol soaked tissue, smear/wipe and pin away..!

Now I'm tired ....! Lol..

MotorCity

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

**** also,. With these type Slin pins when we use em to draw Insulin, or GH the septum's are usually of a softer material, or thinner in the center than what we're used to with oils, and so you'll.have no choice but to draw "and" poke with these, but by design, they're sharp enuff,. And the septum's of said vials are too , (soft enuff to get a few dosing /pokes out of) without the need to exchange tips as we.do with GearZ.

MotorCity

 

[ketsugo]

**sorry, this is a long post. Thank you in advance to those who don't mind and read through**coffe11

What’s up everybody. My initial purpose for this thread is to just get the gears turning, and start the relationship with you all prior to closing on the my first pinnings. From here on out, I'll be welcoming any feedback and criticism, advice on all areas, suggestions, questions and comments, as well likely asking plenty of questions myself. I plan to have a log going once things take off to for my own reference and for the hell of it. As a newb to these boards, and to AAS, I don't want to be one of the people that comes in here and says "hey bros I'm starting a cycle tomorrow what do you all think?" without KNOWING they have all their ducks in a row. This will be my first cycle, and while I feel I'm pretty knowledgeable, I know there's still a lot I don't know. The way I see it, the better you prepare, the better you'll do and the safer you'll be. I'm still new here, some may have seen my intro post already. If not here's the quick info:



The scale at the gym last night said 196 but I'm not sure how accurate that scale is as I still wear the size 32 or 33 jeans that I've worn since I was mid 180#s. I need to find a scale that's accurate that I can use first thing in the am and not at night at the gym, if anyone has recommendations. The ones with batteries that I've used tend to be erratic when the batteries get old. That being said, maybe my summer indulging and the stress and life changes I've been dealing with the past 8 months has packed a couple more #s on than I thought. I can say for sure that my diet wasn't great. Highest my weight has been was 192 after I did a cylce of 3wks DMZ/6wks (one wk overlap) of Havoc (Epistane) during a lean bulk/recomp. And I know... two methyls. I was protecting my liver and drinking a shit ton of water. Slight BP elevation and some back pumps a couple times but no sides otherwise. That being said, I wouldn't run two again. I knew the risk of damage to the liver, but looking back, I think I could have made the same gains with one of the compounds. I added about 12-15 pounds and stayed in the same waist size, slightly leaner than when I started. Bodyfat% no idea, ordered calipers to get a better handle that, but I know I want to cut some bf for sure prior to starting anything. I guess I need to add some more cardio other than my 10 minute warm up before lifting. This will likely be the stairmaster and the Torque TANK prowler. Might also incorporate some kettlebell work/battle rope circuits. I can already hear the curse words...

Diet will be basic and clean. I like to stick with the KISS approach, or the meat and potatoes if you will. I find that the old fashion basics work best for me especially with my diet. Over complicating things just adds too many variables to think about. Staples in my diet will be chicken, lean beef, sweet potatoes, brown rice and oats with some occasional wheat wraps, as well whole grain waffles w/ breakfast. Fats will come from PB, almonds and almond butter and avocados if the sum bitches are on sale... I love me some guacamole (no salt). I just track macros. PB is a fat sources, I don't add the few grams of protein from that. Beef is a protein source, I don't add the little bit of fat that might be left as I'll be buying 92-98% lean beef. So I wont be SUPER strict. I'll figure out what I need to eat in terms of net macros each day and figure out my portions from there. I'm going to try something I haven't before, and get all, or the majority of my carbs in in the few 2-3 meals. Leaving the last 2-3 meals being low carb (final meal being no carb). In the past, although I made good lean gains, my carbs were spread out through all meals but the last one. I feel like this may have prevented me from being as lean as I could have been. As far as the macro set up, I'm not sure if ill go higher fat, or lower fat, with the appropriate ratio to carbs. I have to look back on my last diet records and see how exactly I structured things.

Training - heavy. I incorporate weak point training in to my schedule (extra sets, added movements, etc). For example I hit my rear delts first, and last on shoulder days. I do shrugs on shoulder days, and few more shrugs on leg days. All my compound movements I go heavier and/or do more sets. Rep ranges are in the 5-8 range. Final sets are 3-5 to near failure. Isolation movements I tend to stick to 6-12 rep range depending on the muscle group. All sets are near failure, final set is to absolute failure with a couple assisted reps when possible (I train solo 99% of the time) to really finish things off. If its a movement that isn't one handed like DB preacher curls, allowing me to assist the weight up myself, I'll squeeze out half reps if I can and then resort to a couple dropsets.

Now that the nitty gritty is out there, I'll start by saying I'M NOT READY TO START A CYCLE. My diet isn't in check and dialed in yet and I'm not going to skimp here and end up unhappy with my results because I was lazy with my diet. I'm also working to get my strength up a bit more and get my body comp back to where it was or close to it first. I want to start planning this out now though. I want to learn anything and everything I can prior to poking any vials. This is my first rodeo, there's things I don't know, I don't know how I will respond, and I want to make sure I have my T’s cross, and I's dotted. I believe if you make the decision to use AAS, then you owe it to yourself to do your homework, do it right and get the most out of it in as healthy of a way as possible. Going in to it in a hurry, without the smarts about what you're doing, I think, is setting yourself up for potential regrets. I want to get the most I can out of this experience. I'm not getting hasty about it, I'm in no rush but ready to start planning and soaking up the info.

Currently, the plan for this eventual cycle, my first AAS cycle, is simple. Test. No added substances, not over complicating things. No trying to bite off more than I can chew. Test prop to be exact. I have some Red gear on hand and those items are as follows:
-Test Prop x8
-Aromasin x2
-Nolva x1
-Anavar x1 (I may add this in depending on how things go on just the test)

I think this should be sufficient for the immediate concerns, but I do not feel like this covers everything however so feedback is appreciated. I plan on picking up some clomid as well. Outside of the gear, I will be making a shopping list of support supplements for general health and protection. I know the basics for liver and BP health, and cardio support, but if there are items you think are worth getting please let me know.

Why did I decide on this for a cycle? Because test. I believe test should be included in all AAS cycles. I also believe that if you've never dabbled with something, it makes no sense to pile on multiple things. If you experience sides, how are you to determine what is causing it? Which is why the var has a big question mark. If all goes well with the test, maybe I'll run it. If not, I'll hang on to it for a rainy day. Why test prop? Because I have had it embedded in my mind that you won’t bloat up as much with the shorter ester. I know test is test and many many people believe that the bloat is caused by lack of AI and diet, but it’s still imprinted in my thought process. I know this means more pinnings and everyone says it can suck but... I think if you choose to use AAS, pinning is part of the game and a price you pay when you make this decision. Will I go back on this and decide frequent pinnings suck balls? Yea, I very well might. But I also believe that determining the difference between prop and say, enenthate, is negligible, is going to come down to seeing for myself

My initial uncertainty is test dosing and cycle length. I understand esters and half lifes, I know longer esters take longer to kick in to high gear, and longer to clear the body, and some people kickstart those. My current intention is 12 weeks of Test Prop. Dosing, I've always understand that 500mg/wk is the ideal dose for test. Specifically test alone. Recently I've been seeing more test cycles being ran at 400/wk and I'm wondering if 500 of prop is totally necessary. I know these can be pretty anecdotal and dependent the quality of gear and the individual. The prop is 100mg/mL so 400 would be easier to measure out - 1cc each shot rather than having to pull that extra .25mL, but its it’ll make all the difference then that’s what I’ll do. What say you? Is 500 vs 400 that much more advisable? Is 400 running it a little too low for optimal blood levels?

I have other questions, and I’m sure as time goes on I'll come up with more, but I'll save them and ask them when the topic comes up. (ie AI time, timing to stop AI, PCT start, SERM usage (one or both), and potential gyno sides and treatment). I will say, when I was younger I developed the puffy nips at an early age. Mild pubertal gyno? Maybe? Regardless, it makes me a bit more neurotic about the gyno side effect than some. Since this is a test cycle, any gyno side would be estrogen caused, having a suicide AI makes me more at ease about it since there’s no rebound, but nonetheless, still a concern for me.
Again, sorry for the very long read, I hope some of you were kind enough and patient enough to read through it and to those who did, thank you.

First Bravo=- Far as I see you have done everything right, your stats are great Young and Strong so I'm jealous - you waited long enough to give your body time to reach its natural potential before beginning AAS, which pretty much is soooo important yet - unpopular as no one gets that. YOu already look great now you just have to tweek perfection basically- Little AAS which I think your cycle choice is awesome and Diet and training you aleady figured out- Just know now your recovery is enhanced and your assimilation of nutrients will be more attuned to building muscle let that continue to motivate you to continue eating better and better and remain focued on Training methods- ven donw to they way you perfom reps- Changing things over time is key in every aspect. Our body has a motto " to always continue to reverting back to form." SO variety is the spice of life is so true . Carry on Bro ! Perfect age still young but old enough to be wise - 29 I look back such great place to be.

 

[ketsugo]

First part of Q: there are some (Luer tip type smaller pins available, that you could put onto a 3ml barrel) ,
I'm 26 guauge for instance, their about 3/8" long, maybe 5/8" but still "not" as small as the 29-31 even 27ga. 1/2" or so so you could essentially do a full 2ml, 3 ml shot this way, but in smaller muscle groups, most likely not.

But, to answer "the" question, yes the normal pins sold as diabetic supplies (pins) have a very flat rubber at the tip of the plunger & all contents come out (accuracy) they "have to be accurate to the 1i.u. as the intended compound insulin is measured this way, and they "don't" have a removable tip (dart /pin ) they're molded right to the barrel

Second part Q: , answer: I say Alcohol permeated tissue, cuz some may be too clumbsy, or just not used to holding everythjng, and I didn't want to make it longer and more redundant than it should be//have been..!

I hold the plunger in between a pair if fingers, and keep my empty (plungerless barrel with my thumb and index open end upright { obviously } to fill with 21, 22, 23 etc.

Just saying, if you must set it down, just make certain "yes" it's in a sterile surface ( be creative I guess..? )

Alcohol soaked is just to 1; be sterile, and 2; so as to not get lint, or tissue material on the rubber part, then when re~assembled , or plunge pu back into opening, just tap the sides watch the bubble rises to toward the pin end, this way when you "snap" it back into it's detent, your only pushing about 10 iu worth of air (deadspace ) air into the lid, and not oil, or water (your gear, into the lid )

Pull.lid off, gently purge rest if air if any out, so gear is flush with the area where it flows into the needle, and
"Whalla" pick up your little alchohol soaked tissue, smear/wipe and pin away..!

Now I'm tired ....! Lol..

MotorCity

Figured Id bump MMs post as its really informative for beginners and vets alike

 

[ek5.56]

First Bravo=- Far as I see you have done everything right, your stats are great Young and Strong so I'm jealous - you waited long enough to give your body time to reach its natural potential before beginning AAS, which pretty much is soooo important yet - unpopular as no one gets that. YOu already look great now you just have to tweek perfection basically- Little AAS which I think your cycle choice is awesome and Diet and training you aleady figured out- Just know now your recovery is enhanced and your assimilation of nutrients will be more attuned to building muscle let that continue to motivate you to continue eating better and better and remain focued on Training methods- ven donw to they way you perfom reps- Changing things over time is key in every aspect. Our body has a motto " to always continue to reverting back to form." SO variety is the spice of life is so true . Carry on Bro ! Perfect age still young but old enough to be wise - 29 I look back such great place to be.

Thank you man! The obvious reasons for waiting and not rushing aside - health, sides, endocrine system etc etc. This shit costs money! For some of us, myself included, the money spent isnt pocket change. I'll be damned if I spend 300, 400, or more on gear, ancillaries, supports, never mind groceries, and not make sure I do it responsibly and do it right. Its a shame others my age and younger don't see that. Its a shame that they don't realize that this stuff isn't magic. You still have to bust your ass and put in the time and effort and earn the gains. For me and my situation currently. Diet is the hardest part. My ex and I had a house together. We were together for 6+ years. Had the house for a year and a half. Short version, the last year together wasn't great, went through a shitty break up, sold the house, house was in her name so I got nothing to show for it. I'm fortunate enough to have parents who let me fall back to them for help, me and my dog are currently staying with them, getting my bank built up enough to get out and get my own place. Meal prepping is tough because I dont have the frig to myself now, and limited space for another frig. A mini frig might be pushing it in terms of being a bit too small. Diet aside, as much as I'm looking forward to an upcoming cycle, I know how my parents feel about these things, and out of respect for them, being their house, I'm also waiting until I do get a place of my own and have my own "my house my rules" laid out.

 

[jrsgym]

Morning brother, (your probably out on the grind by now, but I got your e~mail. ) Will hit ya back later ..!

Yeah, Slin pins are nice (but obviously for only 1ml at a time) .
Not real sure about a 31 guage, could try it.

mine are 29 & 30 ( 30 no prob ) just back fill em' , I pluck the plunger out past the detent that keeps it in, straddle it across something, or set on an alcohol soaked tissue. Fill with a reg pin { 3ml } you would draw with.

If I'm doing more than one shot, say I'm mixing the suspension I was telling you about along with Drol suspension, & Dbol suspension draw into the 3ml, shake it up.a bit, stick the dart down the barrel of the Slin, let trickle up to the 100 hatch mark, or a tad more. Carefully put the plunger back in, holding it, then I tap til.the air bubble rises towards the pin (with lid/cap on ) this way you don't lose any as you pres it back to the detent.

What's nice is you'll "lessen" scar tissue, and have more sites to hit, rear delt, Tris (if this enuff ) anywhere in three heads of Shoulders, I'll hit one, & repeat getting two pins out of each Slin, backfill as described above & nail the other.

That prop I sent ya , works just fine thru a 30 also.

Don't try & draw, it will just dull the needle almost immediately From pushing thru the septum.

Hollar @ ya later, ...!

MotorCity

Alright, cool. I had just pinned my left delt this morning with a 22ga x 1" and it was smooth as silk. But you're right, easier pinning for sure and less scared tissue. And my right glute has quite a bit from years gone by. I'm gonna give it a shot when get some suspension or something.
Thx for the tutorial, my friend.

 

[ek5.56]

Glad I posted this and posted what I did. Already flagging some posts for reference to look back on. Very useful info. I knew I was in the right place

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

Glad I posted this and posted what I did. Already flagging some posts for reference to look back on. Very useful info. I knew I was in the right place

Can't go wrong...!

 

[ek5.56]

Glad I posted this and posted what I did. Already flagging some posts for reference to look back on. Very useful info. I knew I was in the right place

 

[The Beef]

Still use 22 to this day, "and" have used 21 1 1/4" several times , I've heard about guys using that harpoon that Redi - jects come with attached.

Now, that's a harpoon Brother.. 18 guage I believe...? Yikes
Ouch...!

Redi jects, hell Motor you're telling how old we are

 

[ek5.56]

Happy New Years! Hope everyone a great and safe eve.

Been doing some refreshing on SARMs and peptimes the last week or so and my interest in these has since been perked up again. More so on the SARM side of things. Been looking at enhanced chemicals line of products (not sure how reputable or quality they are - this line is new to me). Ive read some positive feedback on the enhanced crew and their products and some negative, just as much as most other companies, but haven't come to a consensus on them. Im thinking about running a SARM stack prior to starting my test cycle. I'm thinking about running he following stack - GW, and S4. What Im not sure of is whether I should add another like LGD or Ostarine, or something different all together. The goal for this SARMs stack would be a recomp with an emphasis on cutting some bodyfat. Lean mass gains and strength will come later. The reason for this goals is be as lean as I can be going in to my future gear cycle. Strength and lean mass will come naturally from training and nutrition and rest. I will continue my own research on these products but wanted to drop this hear to gather additional education from all of you that are experienced or knowledgeable on this. Dosing protocal, supports, PCT etc. I understand that its recommended that PCT is required, albeit a "mini pct". As far as supports, how to do these SARMs effect general health? Anything I should focus on protecting, outside of the normal daily supplements - multi, fish oils, etc.?

As for the peptides, I'm not thinking about adding these in right away, and maybe not even until a later cycle, after my cherry breaking test cycle is complete. I'm looking at CJC and Ipamorelin. I know these have a fairly immediate effect on sleep, joints, etc, and a much later aesthetic affect, which Im ok with as the latter would be secondary for me. Question here is, would MK-677 be the better option? During the SARM cycle, or during the test cycle?

That's it for now, those are my initial thoughts, and questions. Thanks for the help thus far guys! Looking forward to reading what you all have to say, positive or negative.

Enjoy your New Years days all!