This explains why the same dose of tren 4 months apart did shit the 2nd time. Thats pretty fascinating. Does the same hold true if you always run a base of test/eq than a dht like mast/winny/anavar? I have noticed that as well..the test/eq at same doseages doesnt do anything at all..and that was ran 6 months apart
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It's a little early but since npp is a short ester it cleared in 10 to 12 days, given you 5 to 6 months between the 19 nor compounds, most importantly is to understand the cycle design theory and implementation going forward. Keep the anabolic high dosed up to 800mg (nandrolone, primo, var boldenone, dhb), and a low dose androgen 250mg to 400mg (test) and alternate your anabolic's each cycle. Use short esters or base compounds for maximum receptor saturation mg/week. For example if I'm using boldenone base at 800mg/week, since it is in base form I'm getting 800mg hitting the receptor per week, compared to boldenone (eq) undecellanate, which will spread the 800mg over 8 weeks, learning the ester half lives is crucial for cycle design. Personally I take two anabolic's at 800mg each (primo base , dhb base ) with 250 mg of test base or acetate, and next cycle I run (nandrolone base, boldenone base), if a base isn't available use the next fastest releasing ester (acetate, prop, phenyl-prop), and keep your 19 nor based compounds at a year apart, I normally run 12 weeks on and 16 weeks off, remember that my receptors are getting all the total mg per week as to another bb running long esters spreading the dosage out over 4 to 6 weeks. Also that bb has to wait until the compounds clear to be considered off from 4 (cypionate, enanthate) to 6 (decanate) and as long as 8 (eq). Low dose of test is to replace the normal hormone that is shut down and maybe up to 400mg for added aggression in the gym, but the higher dosage of test will interfere with the anabolic compounds with the higher binding affinity from doing what they were designed for. Test is a sloppy look, you never keep the gains, it converts to estrogen and dht, why would you flood the blood with a compound that only binds at 10% and the rest of the 90%is converted to side effects, mostly fluid. Experience bb understand this, younger bb may love the extra fluid and aggressive behavior from higher test but they don't have any knowledge and may look bigger in clothing but water isn't muscle, and believe me girls know the difference from bloat and lean muscle. Ultimately when you come off high androgens and high test you lose 20 lbs of water and the experienced bb gained 15 lbs of dry muscle every cycle.
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Yes 99, the dht compounds with the highest affinity will be recognized by the receptor, the best approach is to alternate between 19 nor, dht, and test based compounds, all orals downgrade in 4 to 6 weeks except var, test should always be just a replacement dose of hormone the body has shut down, in medical science testosterone was the original compound designed and as medical science evolved the design of the testosterone molecule evolved from the test base to dht based compounds, the scientists were trying design a molecule to bind to the androgen receptor with high affinity, since test base compounds were week binding they were ultimately week compounds, the higher binding power equals better androgen stimulation. But the receptor gets use to the compound and will recognize it so the body needs to stay away from the hormone and a new hormone will have a better result for a period of time until the androgen receptor ultimately downgrades and time off gear is needed for androgen upgrade.
The nandrolone designed 19 nor has the highest binding affinity (93) and will stimulate the most androgen receptors followed by trenbolone (91) always keep both cycles short 6 to 8 weeks using short esters for best results and don't use again for as long as possible, once per year for 8 weeks
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Yes your correct!, medical science is an exact science and yet always evolving just like technology, applying knowledge to your cycles will give you an advantage to reach your potential. Combine that with superior genetics and your now an elite bb.
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Ok, what about base test? Swap prop for cyp on occasion is same thought process? I believe Piana did this same theory a few years ago. When he put on like 30lbs in a month. Kept swapping compounds as the body adapted to them
Ok, what about base test? Swap prop for cyp on occasion is same thought process? I believe Piana did this same theory a few years ago. When he put on like 30lbs in a month. Kept swapping compounds as the body adapted to them
When it comes to testosterone it does not matter which ester you use, so the answer is no, that won't make any difference, all you doing is changing the release time into the blood (slow or fast) of the hormone (testosterone) . Testosterone is a hormone which your just trying to replace since anabolic's suppress the body's natural production. Changing esters only change the release time into the blood, I'm speaking about changing the base compounds (test, dht, 19 nor). When I'm referring to test base I'm not talking about testosterone the liquid, it's a molecule design not an ester like cyp, prop, enanthate, there are only three types of base compounds, the original testosterone based, dehydro testosterone (dht) and 19 nor testosterone. All Steroids fall under these three molecular designs.
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Test base compounds (testosterone, d-bol, eq), 19 nor base compounds (trenbolone, nandrolone), dht base compounds (primo, masteron, anavar, winstrol, dhb and anadrol)
All of the above compounds can have any ester attached to the molecule to determine the time release into the blood. Or have no ester attached and will release into the blood immediately like testosterone suspension
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All of the above compounds can have any ester attached to the molecule to determine the time release into the blood. Or have no ester attached and will release into the blood immediately like testosterone suspension
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Ok..understood. So running eq on top of test doesnt have the same attachment issues as a 19nor, so you can run that with a 19nor, than say a dht later in the year. Sorry to blast you with this, i have read a ton but nobody seems to touch on the attachments of receptors and how to keep them working properly using different compounds. Sorry to hijack your thread xx
99, it's all very complicated brother, and I try and do my best to explain it all in terminology for most to understand, learning receptor mapping is the most cutting edge of modern medicine, I made amazing progress in my physique once I learned how to use the compounds that allows them to work synergistically together. I have great genetics and made good gains at a young age not knowing what I was doing, after college and during my professional career it all began to make sense and I applied the knowledge to cycle protocol and from then on I can grow non stop. I've really been trying to just Maintain and not get any bigger but I only know one way to train. I could easily hit 320 lbs with little effort but that isn't practical me to be that size, it's just to cumbersome. Science is fascinating for me and there is always more to learn. My advice to you is to gather all the knowledge you can, not only will you make progress but you will keep yourself healthy in the process.
Insulin resistance is everyone biggest enemy and especially a bb, combating it will make all the difference
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Funny you talk about insulin resistance. I am one of those genetic mesmo/endo guys. Im 5’7 and sit at 240 allday at 17% with like 2200 calories. If i want to lean out, only good way to do it is suffer close to zero carbs for a few weeks to reset insulin, and i ususally never go over 150g anyways. Over the years carbs after training only was the best way for me to do it, just trained better on no carbs. Now when it came to cycling, i never ran over 500mg of test..just dont like it much. Then i would toss in eq with say tren, then try mast, or winny. One thing i noticed is my body loves winny over everything by far, and prefer the feel of dht products comapred to 19nor’s.
99, you and me both brother! I responded very well to winstrol and 90% of my cycles dht based, winstrol has the unique ability to pull water from under the skin, I prefer the injectable because of the liver hit from the c17 alkalide. Also the oral has the most dramatic impact on the hdl level, taking it to single digits or non existing levels. I go low carb now also because of the insulin resistance and sometimes keto for a few weeks to also reset insulin. 5'7 240 is thick brother, perfect height for a competitive bb
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I do and use all my cycles with receptor and free hormones unbound considered.
Eq and DHB both raise my blood cells too much. But so does high test especially long ester. I need to try boldenone base and DHB base because faster ester may be better for me. I have standing order for phlebotomy as needed, so I am safe.
I use trest ace for receptor reason as a add in low dosed when things stop working or is bound by protiens and other things that build etc.... I use Masterone and Proviron in same way. But deca continues to work for a really long time for myself but I never stay on a straight blast year round.
Just saying i pay attention to receptors but I also am not a bodybuilder who is seeking size. I am a builder of dense hard muscle that stays and is proportioned. So I work for better look although I don't like my genetics I have changed alot over the years in many ways.
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You won't be disappointed In boldenone base, or dhb base my brother!, boldenone base is the exact same molecular structure as dianabol without the estrogen, and DHB base is primo with 1 methyl molecule added to the structure making it a bit more powerful, the two together are amazing dry gains that you completely retain, a must try combo big Dogg!!
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I love DHT roids, but I also love trest ace too!!!
I have secondary polycythemia and Hemochromotis I was told.... I also was told i have JAK 2 gene mutation.....
Who knows, but the Hemotolagests told me those were findings.
So DHB and Eq I gotta stay at blood bank too much. High long ester test same but not as bad. Short ester test not really much increases in hemo, trest ace no problems at all.
Please give opinion on this.... if I use hgh plus t4, I can use any gear combo and do a phlebotomy only 3x a year but with no t4 and just hgh and gear phlebotomy every 60 days or so, gear being short ester and trest ace no DHB or EQ.
Now if I run EQ or DHB after around 8 week mark I gotta do phlebotomy every 3 weeks and sometimes 2-3x in 4 week period to get lower than 16 hemo. Once my Hemo is stimulated and I hit 18.5 to 19 or more i Gotta clip it down below 14 or it just keeps going up. Almost like I have to wipe out iron stores.
I been doing these phlebotomy's since 2012 as needed on order at blood bank. I have figured out what causes what to raise and some of what slows it down.
But what reason or best guess on why t4 makes things normal??
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I love primo ace, and used to like EQ but haven't been able to use it since 2012.
I use primo e and primo ace.
Test-1-cyp raised my blood too much just like EQ.
Will try short esters of both of those being test prop and test ace don't cause me Hemo issues like test e and c or other long ester test. I think it's got to be metabolism of it and how it levels or builds in me and affects hepiciden. I don't know.... lol
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Because t4 suppresses bone marrow activity and diminishes the production of red blood cells triggering the onset of anemia, and will cause a specific form of anemia call iron deficiency anemia. That's why it is lowered brother.
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