Best way to use T4 + AAS

[Solocom]

Awesome brother!, glad to hear that you are doing well!, I also have a low ejection fraction(lower than yours) and I'm still a beast in the gym so keep the positive attitude bro, I personally don't take an ace inhibitor because of the liver strain, I use carvedilol a beta blocker proven to be strengthen the ejection fraction and no increase in liver enzymes. Soon there will be a procedure involving stem cells which will regrow cardiac tissue and restore the heart to normal, just needing FDA approval, already being used in other countries. A Ketogenic diet will ultimately be the best option for anyone who has chronic illness and especially the heart, cholesterol is caused by sugar and carbohydrates not saturated fat like the government has been promoting, go low carb and research ketosis by Dr Eric Berg on YouTube he is an exceptional Dr, always use omega 3 and co q 10 and, cold pressed garlic tablets, again glad your doing well brother!!!

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I'm doing my best to keep a good attitude. My training has definitely been awesome lately. I've been watching some of Dave Palumbo's videos. I'm doing less sets with more intensity. I'm getting crazy sore! That's fascinating about the stem cell trials that are going on. Thanks again for your advice and expertise. I've considered going with a keto diet, but I haven't made the leap yet. I'll have to look into the cold pressed garlic. I don't have that in my support arsenal yet.

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[xxplosive]

No, brol, as you know one of my favorite cycles is npp and dhb, just the primo has to be acetate in that cycle design because the enanthate ester will take 4 weeks to kick in, so there would be a 4 week void before onset or the compound, with the acetate pinning on week 9 would get an immediate dose to the receptors by week 10 with no void. 20 weeks is a long run still with no blood work from the last long cycle , my gut instinct tells me that you won't wait the entire 90 days off (may 27) , Var is harder on the kidneys due to the fact that 80% is metabolized by the kidneys to 20% liver, my brother your rolling the dice with your health from years of no blood work and multiple long cycles, your liver was stressed last cycle and you mentioned high cholesterol, winstrol oral from last cycle reduces HDL to single digits and your planning on more orals with low HDL, that's is a heart attack waiting to happen bro!. All orals will dramatically impact your cholesterol. I'm not going to preach at you because you won't get your bloods done and that is obvious, that is your decision, but I'm literally speechless! I just hope you take the necessary steps to learn how to be a better bb,being a smart bb will make you a better bb. You are setting a bad example for others. EXPERIENCED members understand the dangers of cycling year in year out with no blood work. I won't mention it again, I tried to get through to you. I Hope everything works out well for you friend, Hit me up if I can help!, regards

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I am actually planning to get bloodwork done this week. I am trying my best to hold off on a cycle, I've made it almost 7 weeks which is longer than i thought, its tempting but your words aren't falling on deaf ears.

Just bc i toss around diff ideas for cycle combos doesn't mean i am gonna start one soon.

At the very least i am gonna get blood work done and see where im at.

How long does it generally take to get your results?

 

[Blacktail]

I am actually planning to get bloodwork done this week. I am trying my best to hold off on a cycle, I've made it almost 7 weeks which is longer than i thought, its tempting but your words aren't falling on deaf ears.

Just bc i toss around diff ideas for cycle combos doesn't mean i am gonna start one soon.

At the very least i am gonna get blood work done and see where im at.

How long does it generally take to get your results?

Takes my doc 24 hours. They normally call me the next day.

 

[Hevi-head]

^^^^ just a couple days for privatemdlabs

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Anytime brother!!

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Just saying thank u too. I had echo gram done couple times, it was for life insurance but I guess that qualifies!!
The reason I say 3.3iu generics is because I am sure that they are possibly 2iu Pharma if lucky.....
I may do the 5 and 2 and also may switch to Peptides every few months, is this ok?
Cjc no dac and ipamorillin or would 12.5mg MK be better..

Or I may be going your way.. lol!! We go there often too. I need good Dr I can be honest with, more in that area for sure!!!

As always appreciate your knowledge as professional and lover of bodybuilding who goes down road.

Sorry for being off topic but DHB I gotta do phlebotomy constant and Eq too but not Primo!!! High test high red blood too. But low trest (MENT) no issues!! Thankfully I have order as needed.

I lowered t4 to 75mcg with hgh 3.3iu and tren stack. 100mcg I was too flat. Heart rate went up lowering but will adjust it always does that when I drop or increase about 1 week.

But BP today good pulse was just after work and busy. Plus adhd meds wasn't wore off.

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[Gymrattt1]

I am actually planning to get bloodwork done this week. I am trying my best to hold off on a cycle, I've made it almost 7 weeks which is longer than i thought, its tempting but your words aren't falling on deaf ears.

Just bc i toss around diff ideas for cycle combos doesn't mean i am gonna start one soon.

At the very least i am gonna get blood work done and see where im at.

How long does it generally take to get your results?

Brother I'm proud of you for taking the advice from everyone who understands the importance of your health and wants to help you!. I won't tell you what you want to hear, but what you need to hear! Tough love so to speak! But I'm proud of you anyways XX. I understand what you are going through and it's tough!, this is a good forum for you because members like muscle mechanic and others who want to help you brother!. Now it's only been since the Feb 27 when the primo enanthate cleared your system, you need to learn your esters. Enanthate is designed to be time released about 28 days, so it's not from your last pin when you are considered to be off, but from when the drug clears you system, the half life is about 14 days meaning a 200mg dose of enanthate ester 100mg will metabolize thru the liver in 14 days and the other 100mg will metabolize the second 14 days and that is called the terminal half life, so you have been off exactly 15 days tomorrow brother and 90 days off is may 27. Learning your half lives of gear is crucial to designing and implementation of gear in a cycle. Boldenone (eq) would take 8 weeks to clear the system that's why I use short esters because you get clean fast and get that extra month off for detoxing the body and allowing your blood work to get more time to return to normal bro. Cycle design is not just picking out gear, it's understanding the binding affinity of each compound and which work synergistically together. Again I'm glad to hear that all my advice has gotten thru and your taking care of your health brother!

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[Gymrattt1]

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[Gymrattt1]

The BP looks great brother!, heart rate is high unless a hot babe just walked by ! Lol

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[Muscle mechanic]

The BP looks great brother!, heart rate is high unless a hot babe just walked by! Lol

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Yes was rough day at work balls to wall. Ran to one Pharm no machine ran to next. As machine tightens I get anxiety and heart beats...

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[Sharks1989]

Just saying thank u too. I had echo gram done couple times, it was for life insurance but I guess that qualifies!!
The reason I say 3.3iu generics is because I am sure that they are possibly 2iu Pharma if lucky.....
I may do the 5 and 2 and also may switch to Peptides every few months, is this ok?
Cjc no dac and ipamorillin or would 12.5mg MK be better..

Or I may be going your way.. lol!! We go there often too. I need good Dr I can be honest with, more in that area for sure!!!

As always appreciate your knowledge as professional and lover of bodybuilding who goes down road.

Sorry for being off topic but DHB I gotta do phlebotomy constant and Eq too but not Primo!!! High test high red blood too. But low trest (MENT) no issues!! Thankfully I have order as needed.

I lowered t4 to 75mcg with hgh 3.3iu and tren stack. 100mcg I was too flat. Heart rate went up lowering but will adjust it always does that when I drop or increase about 1 week.

But BP today good pulse was just after work and busy. Plus adhd meds wasn't wore off.

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Bro I'm wondering why you're rating generic growth at 3.3 ius would be equivalent to pharma grade at 2ius ish? I'm on Giants at 3.3 ius, almost 2 weeks in. Wondering after month 2 if I should up it, since you said you think it's around 2iu pharma grade. I mean good possibility it's dosed that way. I see lots of ppl bloodwork on Giants.. my main goal is less body fat. I just want to melt this little bit off get my % lower. I don't plan on abusing this as I truly believe there's no need for massive amounts. But in your OPINION do you think Giants hgh is a tad underdosed?

Like I said before on another post, me personally have had extremely deep sleep and that's NEVER normal for me. Hands ache from time to time but that's 2 weeks into hgh. It's going to take months for my body to grow new cells in order to have better growth. That's why ppl after a month or a few weeks expect to see major growth and they won't for months. Most ppl after they take hgh for maybe a month and don't see much growth they end up stopping it, and jump on juice, then within a couple months they think wow I'm getting huge from the juice, and don't take into consideration that the hgh they injected for a month NOW is showing but they think it's the juice lol.

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[Gymrattt1]

I meant that after 3.3 iu was at the top dose before any side effects (heart enlargement and organ growth begins), according to the medical studies and confirmed by the echo's I see on my bb patients, I have used giant labs before back when they first hit the market and they worked well for me, swollen hands or carpet tunnel syndrome is a sign that the hgh is working, yes the second to third month is when hgh kicks in and four or five for muscle growth, 3.3 iu should yield excellent fat loss, you should expect deep rem sleep even on tren with good hgh bro!!. A beta blocker(metoprolol) will keep your heart rate down if it does not return to normal off the t3

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[Muscle mechanic]

I meant that after 3.3 iu was at the top dose before any side effects (heart enlargement and organ growth begins), according to the medical studies and confirmed by the echo's I see on my bb patients, I have used giant labs before back when they first hit the market and they worked well for me, swollen hands or carpet tunnel syndrome is a sign that the hgh is working, yes the second to third month is when hgh kicks in, 3.3 iu should yield excellent fat loss, you should expect deep rem sleep even on tren with good hgh bro!!. A beta blocker(metoprolol) will keep your heart rate down if it does not return to normal off the t3

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Yes used to take it. Thinking if brand Inderal... lol!!
Just on t4 75mcg atm.
Going get off soon and not planning on using tren anymore. Just don't like what "ask the doc says about it" I watch him all the time

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[Gymrattt1]

Yes used to take it. Thinking if brand Inderal... lol!!
Just on t4 75mcg atm.
Going get off soon and not planning on using tren anymore. Just don't like what "ask the doc says about it" I watch him all the time

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I've never met a physician who has ever said anything good about tren, just that it's evil and a horror story about to happen!, I've seen tren turn the best people into the worst human beings. I'm so laid back normally and on tren I get very short with everyone and my wife knows when I start tren, she thinks that I lose my compassion for others which is my best quality. I'm also done with tren bro!!

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[Gymrattt1]

I'm doing my best to keep a good attitude. My training has definitely been awesome lately. I've been watching some of Dave Palumbo's videos. I'm doing less sets with more intensity. I'm getting crazy sore! That's fascinating about the stem cell trials that are going on. Thanks again for your advice and expertise. I've considered going with a keto diet, but I haven't made the leap yet. I'll have to look into the cold pressed garlic. I don't have that in my support arsenal yet.

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[Blacktail]

I've never met a physician who has ever said anything good about tren, just that it's evil and a horror story about to happen!, I've seen tren turn the best people into the worst human beings. I'm so laid back normally and on tren I get very short with everyone and my wife knows when I start tren, she thinks that I lose my compassion for others which is my best quality. I'm also done with tren bro!!

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ya tren scares the hell out of me I'm an ass hole now I would be divorced for sure if I took that, not to mention the health issues. I'm way to old for that.

 

[xxplosive]

Tren single-handedly gives ALL aas a bad name! Horrible fucking drug, it is the only one that deserves to be illegal. Awful what it does to your head, definitely caused some problems in my life.

NEVER again!! Much better alternatives, just high dose some primo + var! Costs more but well worth the price to salvage your quality of life.

Fuck trenbolone!

 

[xxplosive]

Brother I'm proud of you for taking the advice from everyone who understands the importance of your health and wants to help you!. I won't tell you what you want to hear, but what you need to hear! Tough love so to speak! But I'm proud of you anyways XX. I understand what you are going through and it's tough!, this is a good forum for you because members like muscle mechanic and others who want to help you brother!. Now it's only been since the Feb 27 when the primo enanthate cleared your system, you need to learn your esters. Enanthate is designed to be time released about 28 days, so it's not from your last pin when you are considered to be off, but from when the drug clears you system, the half life is about 14 days meaning a 200mg dose of enanthate ester 100mg will metabolize thru the liver in 14 days and the other 100mg will metabolize the second 14 days and that is called the terminal half life, so you have been off exactly 15 days tomorrow brother and 90 days off is may 27. Learning your half lives of gear is crucial to designing and implementation of gear in a cycle. Boldenone (eq) would take 8 weeks to clear the system that's why I use short esters because you get clean fast and get that extra month off for detoxing the body and allowing your blood work to get more time to return to normal bro. Cycle design is not just picking out gear, it's understanding the binding affinity of each compound and which work synergistically together. Again I'm glad to hear that all my advice has gotten thru and your taking care of your health brother!

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So my understanding is that a huge benefit of short esters is that they clear faster... Therefore you need less time off before you can get back on?

If bloodwork comes back good, is it still mandatory to stay off for that long?

Does science dictate how long AR upregulation takes, or is the time off more of a safety measure in giving your organs a respectable enough of a break?

 

[Gymrattt1]

Your correct about the short esters allowing you to clear the compounds faster and allowing the body to heal (detox) and enzymes to return to normal, especially cholesterol levels, also you can be more exact with pct, for example deca takes 6 weeks to clear and proper pct protocol would be much different from say npp

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[Gymrattt1]

Regarding the androgen receptor downgrade, a compounds binding affinity determines the time needed for up regulation, for example trenbolone has a binding affinity of (91%) second only to deca (93%) both 19 nor compounds, the higher the binding affinity the longer the up regulation will be, ultimately the higher binding affinity effects how fast it downgrades that's why tren does not work past 8 weeks and the body's recognition of the compound the next cycle is extreme, meaning that the body won't respond to the same compound (tren) if used again the next cycle, best to switch to different compound like a dht Based compound, I change my base compound every cycle for the best results, never run multiple androgens for reasons of receptor domain (competition), one cycle high dose 19 nor base (deca or npp), next cycle high dose dht base (primo, dhb,) with a low dose of test since testosterone only binds at 10%, to allow the higher binding anabolic to be to attach to the receptor without testosterone blocking it, all that does not bind will be converted to estrogen and dht resulting in side effects!.90 days usually can upgrade the androgen receptor for any compound other than trenbolone or nandrolone, they need minimal 6 months and I suggest that you take a year between 19 nor compounds for fresh receptors, an amazing fact about var, it has the slowest downgrade of any compound, because 80% of var is metabolized in the kidneys, compounds metabolized in the liver downgrade faster than kidneys, because the liver is more powerful than the kidneys, having more enzymes available.


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[xxplosive]

Regarding the androgen receptor downgrade, a compounds binding affinity determines the time needed for up regulation, for example trenbolone has a binding affinity of (91%) second only to deca (93%) both 19 nor compounds, the higher the binding affinity the longer the up regulation will be, ultimately the higher binding affinity effects how fast it downgrades that's why tren does not work past 8 weeks and the body's recognition of the compound the next cycle is extreme, meaning that the body won't respond to the same compound (tren) if used again the next cycle, best to switch to different compound like a dht Based compound, I change my base compound every cycle for the best results, never run multiple androgens for reasons of receptor domain (competition), one cycle high dose 19 nor base (deca or npp), next cycle high dose dht base (primo, dhb,) with a low dose of test since testosterone only binds at 10%, to allow the higher binding anabolic to be to attach to the receptor without testosterone blocking it, all that does not bind will be converted to estrogen and dht resulting in side effects!.90 days usually can upgrade the androgen receptor for any compound other than trenbolone or nandrolone, they need minimal 6 months and I suggest that you take a year between 19 nor compounds for fresh receptors, an amazing fact about var, it has the slowest downgrade of any compound, because 80% of var is metabolized in the kidneys, compounds metabolized in the liver downgrade faster than kidneys, because the liver is more powerful than the kidneys, having more enzymes available.


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Wow... That is some fuckin VERY valuable info!!

So i have not ran nandrolone (NPP) since December, and ran just test/primo til late Jan- should i not bother with NPP again until May, or is even that too early?