Assistance needed: Fat Loss Cycle

[zedanony1]

I am looking for input on the BEST fat burning cycle, given what I have already and have access to. I am running a strict diet with cardio and weight training.

I want dosage recommendations and help with developing a schedule.

What I have already:
1) Test C 200
2) Tren A 75
3) Clen 40
4) Nolvadex

Can get:
1) Anavar 10
2) T3 50
3) T3 50/T4 50 mix
4) HCG 5000iu

This is what I had in mind:
Test C, 200 2x/wk (Mon/Fri), weeks 1-12
Tren A, 75 3x/wk (Mon/Wed/Fri), weeks 2-12
Clen, 100 daily, 2 weeks on/2 weeks off
Anavar, 50 daily, weeks 4-12

PCT:
Nolvadex 40, weeks 14-17
HCG 1000iu/daily for 5 days, starting week 14

Questions:
1) What is the value of T3/T4? Do I want to use the mix or just T3 or neither?
2) Why is Test P always recommended for cutting cycles? I already have Test C and do not want to pin daily.
3) Nolvadex, during cycle or just PCT? Dosage?
4) HCG, dosage and frequency/length?

ANY other input would be GREATLY appreciated!!!!!

 

[01dragonslayer]

For fat loss my man your best move is to focus your efforts on a clean strict diet and a rigorous cardio routine with HIIT most likely being your best option. Do not rely on your cycle to drop unwanted BF. Hormones are there to help assist you to attain a goal. Please make your diet and cardio the priority.

 

[testboner]

Zed, What's your age?

 

[zedanony1]

I am 36. I have a very slow metabolism though, always have, that is why I am looking for assistance from hormones and clen. My diet is very strict and I do cardio daily, but I am still having trouble losing the remaining fat. I have 12% BF right now, down from 20%. I want to drop that down more and I want to preserve my lean muscle tissue too.

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

I am 36. I have a very slow metabolism though, always have, that is why I am looking for assistance from hormones and clen. My diet is very strict and I do cardio daily, but I am still having trouble losing the remaining fat. I have 12% BF right now, down from 20%. I want to drop that down more and I want to preserve my lean muscle tissue too.

Post up an example of your diet. We can maybe help better that way. All foods, and approximately when consumed.

Extra protien & fats coupled with exercise boost your metabolism, why I mean is (lower carbs, "extra" /surplus of Protien /salads / modest dietary fats etc )

Will kick up metabolism alot, I always get warn after eating, as long as I am sore somewhere , breaking down tissue. Drugs are secondary.

~ tried fasted cardio...? Or even IF {intermittent fasting }

No carbs after a certain hour b4 bed. GH definitely if affordable for you

Many more trick if the Trade however...! Too many to list.

Good luck, I'll try & follow. Keep us informed tho, as things move along.

We can tweak any time , Remember Rome wasn't built in a day...!

Hollar back & ✓✓ in soon

MotorCity

 

[zedanony1]

Okay, so I got one of those calorie tracking apps and setup the most aggressive diet to meet my goals. It is a 1,500 calorie a day diet, excercise is taken into account too and increases that. Daily macro goals are % based; 45% carbs, 20% fat, 35% protein. I stay pretty close within those limits, calorie intake and macros. I have a desk job, so outside of the gym, I am not very active and there isn’t much room to adjust that.

 

[zedanony1]

I really have made the drugs secondary, and am putting in the work by traditional means. I am open to new diet suggestions too. I spread out my meals and try to eat small amounts in between to keep my metabolism up. I am just hitting a wall...
ALOT of chicken and rice, corn flakes cereal, skim milk, protein drinks, nuts, occasional Chipotle or Subway.

 

[testboner]

Zed, I'd like to suggest you consider putting fasting into your weekly lifestyle. Not so much Intermittent, but whats considered to be prolonged (24+ hrs).
Here's the thing; with sufficient anabolic/androgenic support (it doesn't require a lot), and for the period of time you'd be fasting each week, you will not lose muscle.
There are numerous protocols for this, but I like to encourage eating only Keto style (highest % fats, moderate protein, and ZERO carb as much as possible) your final two days prior to your fasting. The "science" behind this, is that you will deplete all (if not all, the VAST majority) of your glycogen reserves before beginning the fast. That will ensure that for your 24-48hrs (the fast length I encourage to do each and every week of eating), your body will maximize the burning of body fat for it's energy. This method done correctly and consistently, will shed body fat far more effortlessly and rapidly than cardio can come anywhere near.
There is also a simple electrolyte mix you can mix up in water for pennies that you can sip on through your fasting days, that will stave off most common uncomfortableness that many complain of when fasting. You can also continue to train those days, albeit dialed down a bit. If interested, That mixture is simply:
Water=2L
Potassium chloride =1 tsp I use the 'No Salt' brand. You can get at walmart and most other stores.
Sodium chloride = 1/2 tsp Use Himalayan Pink Salt. Again, walmart sells it. Get the fine grain.
Sodium Bicarbonate = 1 tsp Plain old Arm and Hammer baking Soda.
Magnesium Sulphate = 1/2 tsp Sold at supp stores and likely other places too. My woman gets it at her natural grocer store.

Not only will this style of routine/weekly fasting shed fat fast, but you'll have a myriad of other super healthful processes taking place that nothing but fasting can do for you.

 

[zedanony1]

Okay! I can try that. Honestly, I am not a big eater, so fasting would be an option for me. I was just always under the impression that if you fast, when you do eat, your body stores most of it because it doesn’t know when it is gonna get more.
What are your thoughts about the Test C, Tren A, Clen, Anavar, and T3? What would be a good cycle to use in combination with the diet, cardio, and fasting?

 

[testboner]

Okay! I can try that. Honestly, I am not a big eater, so fasting would be an option for me. I was just always under the impression that if you fast, when you do eat, your body stores most of it because it doesn’t know when it is gonna get more.
What are your thoughts about the Test C, Tren A, Clen, Anavar, and T3? What would be a good cycle to use in combination with the diet, cardio, and fasting?

Quite simply... keep it simple and moderate exactly as you outlined in your example cycle. That would be sufficient... IMO, minus the clen. You really should not need the clen. And for various reasons, I'm simply not a big fan of it. I typically discourage it's use for most people in most situations. It has it's time and place, but for more serious competitive prep reasons, not to simply add "just because."

 

[testboner]

So far as the rebound during your refeed after the fasting -- that won't be an issue so long as you don't overeat, and you stick with a smart diet style. After a week of eating, you'll be fasting again. With that method, you're not going to rebound weight much at all, and should find it quite easy to keep leaner.

 

[zedanony1]

Quite simply... keep it simple and moderate exactly as you outlined in your example cycle. That would be sufficient... IMO, minus the clen. You really should not need the clen. And for various reasons, I'm simply not a big fan of it. I typically discourage it's use for most people in most situations. It has it's time and place, but for more serious competitive prep reasons, not to simply add "just because."

Thanks! Few other questions then...
1) Add T3 or T3/T4 mix?
2) What about my PCT plan, the HCG and Nolvadex?
3) Should Nolvadex be used during the cycle?

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

I am looking for input on the BEST fat burning cycle, given what I have already and have access to. I am running a strict diet with cardio and weight training.

I want dosage recommendations and help with developing a schedule.

What I have already:
1) Test C 200
2) Tren A 75
3) Clen 40
4) Nolvadex

Can get:
1) Anavar 10
2) T3 50
3) T3 50/T4 50 mix
4) HCG 5000iu

This is what I had in mind:
Test C, 200 2x/wk (Mon/Fri), weeks 1-12
Tren A, 75 3x/wk (Mon/Wed/Fri), weeks 2-12
Clen, 100 daily, 2 weeks on/2 weeks off
Anavar, 50 daily, weeks 4-12

PCT:
Nolvadex 40, weeks 14-17
HCG 1000iu/daily for 5 days, starting week 14

Questions:
1) What is the value of T3/T4? Do I want to use the mix or just T3 or neither?
2) Why is Test P always recommended for cutting cycles? I already have Test C and do not want to pin daily.
3) Nolvadex, during cycle or just PCT? Dosage?
4) HCG, dosage and frequency/length?

ANY other input would be GREATLY appreciated!!!!!

I'll chime In Later on the stack, (someone bestd me to it ,
great. But for now, what is your cycle experience.

And, when I say chime in, I'm referring to the thyroid stuff ***(caution ***) , must certainly know what it doing with Thyroid meds. GH...? Experience..!

Again cycles...? Thus far.

This is my off time & have alot to do, so perhaps later.

I usually get more involved while at work so long as I have
a decent signal.

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

[MENTION=1968]testboner[/MENTION]., Great reply, ,great. Advice , I'm stealing some if it ( into the Archives )

I posted somewhere too some.awesome electrolytes solutions as well, kosher vegetable glycerin added will.help hydration too, a little mollases in there added.

Lotta variety, but I'm very famt & experimenting w/these sort if things too.

Good write for the guy..!

MotorCity

 

[Hevi-head]

Thanks! Few other questions then...
1) Add T3 or T3/T4 mix?
2) What about my PCT plan, the HCG and Nolvadex?
3) Should Nolvadex be used during the cycle?

The HCG should be used during your cycle and up to pct but not for pct itself

 

[testboner]

Thanks! Few other questions then...
1) Add T3 or T3/T4 mix?
2) What about my PCT plan, the HCG and Nolvadex?
3) Should Nolvadex be used during the cycle?

Good questions. You honestly shouldn't likely need the addition of t3 nor t3/t4 mix. If you were running gh for an extended time, I'd recommend it. If you happen to have a hypo thyroid, it would also benefit in that scenario. But if your thyroid is of normal sufficient function, no need to add it in.
There are numerous protocols for PCT and everyone has their favorite. With what you have on hand, and the cycle your planning to run, IMO, the HCG and Novadex combo is adequate.
20mg Nolvadex would be good to run through the cycle. It should be sufficient (if good quality) to handle the aromatase from the test, and keep that in check enough that no caber will be necessary for the amount of tren you're running.

 

[zedanony1]

I'll chime In Later on the stack, (someone bestd me to it ,
great. But for now, what is your cycle experience.

And, when I say chime in, I'm referring to the thyroid stuff ***(caution ***) , must certainly know what it doing with Thyroid meds. GH...? Experience..!

Again cycles...? Thus far.

This is my off time & have alot to do, so perhaps later.

I usually get more involved while at work so long as I have
a decent signal.

I am okay with leaving out the T3/T4. I have ran a few cycles, the last one being about two years ago. I have used Test C and E, Tren several times (A and E), Winstrol, and NPP.

 

[testboner]

Hevi-head's advice of running the HCG through cycle has increased in popularity, and does yield useful results for maintaining your nut size on cycle, and many believe based on how LH stimulation works, that running the HCG on cycle yields a quicker and fuller recovery of your natty test rebound. I have done it both ways over the years, and personally had good success with both. You might want to read a bit on it to come to your own conclusion. But definitely not incorrect nor bad advice @ Hevi-head. There are simply two schools of view on it's use.

 

[I8sum2]

I 2nd the fasting. Just started doing it recently myself. Dropping lbs fast and feel better.