Advice from bothers!!

[Muscle mechanic]

Ok guys this is deal, I use hgh 3.3iu generics to 5iu. I have been just fine on hgh 3.3iu to 5iu added blast and bam get all symptoms of hypothyroid. After morning dose of hgh I go back to sleep unless I have to be at work and struggle to stay awake if doing paperwork hands hurt so bad and can't keep eyes open until around lunch!!!
I did labs Jan 16th all was good lipids, liver, everything glucuse, A1C, PSA all great!!
Last 2-3 times doing labs getting off t3/t4 Mix staying on hgh was fine and add blast especially tren and feel so tired!! No energy even though performance up and strength in gym!! I added 50mcg t3 50mcg t4 and worked fixed immediately. Added Novothyral mix and needed 12.5 to 25mcg more t3 then all good!! On 3.3iu the Novothyral 100 to 20 mix works. On 5iu need tad more t3....
So TRT Dr testing free t4 and TSH with lipids again in mid July. So I will have to get off by June to be good on lipid metobalism and glucuse because being in rebound thyroid will affect LDL and glucuse!!!
My last free t4 and TSH test July 2018 were low free t4 and low TSH indicating pituatay secondary hypothyroidism!!!
Everything on bloods fine a month ago use 3.3iu hgh no thyroid since July... but ran light compared for that 6 months. Mostly DHB, primo, low trest ace, low test. Only 1 45 day mini tren cut!!!

So I am on this atm and having no tren sides at all but lethergy bad!! I have high tolerance to tren I can use 700mg tren ace wk 450 test with no sides only indigestion but I got stomach fixed with 500 mg magnesium oxide at night, lots if extra fiber and Apple Cider vinegar 2 tabs 3x day.. and all fish, Primrose, flax oils, NAC etc...

This is current stack
TEST CYP 60mg MWF TRT SCRIPT
TREN HEX 75MG MWF D-LINE
PRIMO E 175MG MWF D-LINE
SHREDZ D-LINE ALMOST 1CC NOT QUIET MWF AROUND 65MG OF EACH TREN ACE, TEST ACE, MAST P. Will bump Shredz to 1cc MWF
NOLVA 12.5MG A DAY D-LINE
AROMASIN 12.5MG MWF D-LINE
PROVIRON 50MG A DAY D-LINE
EPISTANE STARTED 20MG DAY THEN SWITCHED TO ANADROL 50MG A DAY PAST 2 DAYS
CIALIS 12.5MG A DAY D-LINE
HGH 3.3IU A DAY GIANT 99%
MT2 250MCG 2 TO 3X WK

Also using Dostetec from EuropeAnabolic 0.5mg @2× wk, I have Pharma Grade cabar in route maybe in morning will change over once lands. The research grade in liquid is trash from 2 differnt well known places....

BECAUSE WAY LABS FALL IN JULY I AM CUTTING NOW WILL RIP AND KEEP LONG ESTER TEST, HEX, PRIMO AND ADD TREST AND RE-CUT WITH PLAN THEN IN MAY.

I CAN OFTEN HOLD 7% AFTER CUT THOUGH WITH LOWER STUFF...

So all info given I wanna kill this lethergy a cut, my thyroid needs replace dose if I will keep using hgh but been suspect before!! Wish Dr would put me on in July!!

But what u guys think about 100mcg t4 added or Novothyral 100 t4 to 20 t3 mix???
Can't take it no more help me decide if all is good after will bump Hgh to 5iu a day


SO QUESTION IS SHOULD I ADD T4 100MCG OR NOVOTHYRAL MIX????

ALSO TOTAL TREN WK ATM IS 225 HEX AND WILL BE AROUND 225 TREN ACE TOTAL TOGETHER IS 450WK.
I GET AWAY WITH 525WK TREN ACE THE HEX SHOULD OF KICKED IN THE SHREDZ BEEN ON 1 WEEK TODAY!! I WILL PROLLY UP SHREDZ TO 1ML TO GET 75MG MWF AND ADD IN MORE TREN ACE TO COME IN AT 525MG TREN ACE TOTAL.
I NORMALLY USE 700WK TREN ACE AND TEST P THEN WHEN SIDES START LOWER TEST TO 525 THEN WHEN TREN HEARTBURN UNBEARABLE I CUT PROP TO 50MG A DAY AND TREN ACE TO 75MG A DAY...

MAYBE WILL JUST LEAVE SHREDZ AT 1CC MWF WITH HEX 75MG MWF AND ADD NOVOTHYRAL OR 100 T4.
Excuse my crazy mind typing away. I dont ask for advice often and normally don't listen to it but will take into consideration
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[Muscle mechanic]

So I added t4 and feeling better. Gonna add some b12 and Phera too.
Come to find out guys i knocked out my iron stores last phlebotomy!!! U wanna talk about tired and weak!!! This happened to me 2x before maybe 3 over past 5 years of phlebotomy's and my blood conditions I developed!!! For whatever reason genetic or gene mutations some of us gear users get red blood issues and much more than build up. Hepiciden suppression of test to high, and Eq or my worst enemies. Anadrol approved for red blood production in anemia doesn't even bother me!!! I use tons of Eq in past this issue catch up with me around 36. I am 43 now and changed approach. One thing I tried just spiked me too much on hemo lately. It's was trial on sides and didn't agree with hemoglobin...

Lol! I meant to post this in planning section but my stubborn self figured it out and thankfully [MENTION=4]D-RED[/MENTION] helped bringing b12 to my attention!!



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[BobbySweeney]

So you were tired due to iron deficiency?


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[Quix99]

I was doing research on thyroid and iodine defeciency and thats the main cause of a improper working thyroid. A tsh/t4 test doesnt show the whole picture apparently, and the only way to test it is with a waking temperature check. Taking the iodine worked wonders for myself, and especially some women i know whos dr’s would rather give a script for synthroid than do some work. Check it out, see what its at. I started at 96.6 degrees, now its close to 99.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

So you were tired due to iron deficiency?


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Hgh makes me hypothyroid. Hypothyroid messes with iron absorsion.

I was ok with iron I did 3 phlebotomy's in December. DHB raised my Hemoglobin. I have standing order secondary polycythemia. I got dam flu 2 weeks ago out body withholds iron absorbing in times of white blood stimulation. Reason diseased always become anemic....
Anyway got over flu went to blood bank decided to knock it down labs were 16.8 hemoglobin and hct was almost 50. After that bam.
I know woman at blood bank she ran my blood and told me iron stores were low. It's required every so many donations with dr order to check iron stores.
I also got her to get free t4 checked just so I would know. It was low.... it's always low with TSH low too on labs... secondary hypothyroidism!!!

So I been lethargic from hgh and adding tren. (TBG) Thyroxine Binding Globulin increases with steroid use. One of reasons hgh causes more lethergy one adding gear!


Hgh already keeps my TSH low and my free t4 low. Reason unclear, some research says more t3 conversion neg feeds t4 production by lowering TSH. Other research says other things but hgh has affected thyroid in very high % of all research patients in most studies...

So everything combined wiped me out. The flu, getting low on iron stores and my thyroid being suppressed... 3x before on hgh I had to add in some t4 or t3/t4 Mix. I was fine and once I added gear hypo-thyroid symtoms set in even with edema in hands during sleep!!! Added thyroid each time was good. Got off most gear after while and thyroid was able to stay at hgh dose!!!
My secondary polycythemia and Hemochromotis has kept my at blood bank every 3-5 weeks for years. When I use hgh maybe every 10 weeks I gotta do phlebotomy, when i use hgh and any gear besides EQ, HIGH LONG ESTER TEST, or DHB, and I use t4 or t3-t4 mix I don't have to do phlebotomy but every 4 months or 3x a year unless I drop added thyroid hormones!!

So I put detail into all this so others can see what goes on with me and maybe help them.....
Iodine between my wrist I use to come of thyroid supplementation!!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

I was doing research on thyroid and iodine defeciency and thats the main cause of a improper working thyroid. A tsh/t4 test doesnt show the whole picture apparently, and the only way to test it is with a waking temperature check. Taking the iodine worked wonders for myself, and especially some women i know whos dr’s would rather give a script for synthroid than do some work. Check it out, see what its at. I started at 96.6 degrees, now its close to 99.

Iron and b12 can affect or be affected by thyroid and iodine too. Yes it's crazy but is my iron overload affecting my thyroid from being stored there??? It happens in iron overload and impairs thyroid.
Then low thyroid interferes with iron metabolism.... and absorbing...
Then (TBG), that is next test I will ask Dr to add in July with TSH, free t4, lipids, and TIBC, and ferritin.

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[Muscle mechanic]

[MENTION=3891]BobbySweeney[/MENTION]


It's hard for me to say exactly the culprit because I added tren, had flu and too many things.

I shot Iron stores i past 3x and really it's sort of goal for the conditions i have. Once I kill stores my Hemoglobin stops rising and everything good for 6-8 months. Energy and lethergy or just low.... In past I would take nap in truck for lunch break and nap every chance I can for a few weeks. Dr gives me Fergon 27mg 2x a day in these times but I have used it and shot me up so quick again I go without!! Deca is best for me when I get low iron. It makes me feel best.

My thyroid???? All I know is taking the 100mcg t4 helped immediately I guess hgh converts it to t3 fast!! I hate tinkering with my body but this whole thyroid and iron thing is my problem.

Dr keeps checking thyroid and TSH, TIBC, Ferritin, lipids etc... having to do phlebotomy even 1x a month if I can trade taking thyroid and doing it 3x a year it's worth it to me. I am not sure about hgh and if it's part of the puzzle too.

They told me I had a JAK 2 gene mutation, Hemochromotis, and secondary polycythemia. Since 2012 I been doing phlebotomy's as needed. Went from 5'8" 225 around 9% bf average to 185 then last few years got back over 200lbs. I am cool 200lbs even 195 I just wish they can help me more. All my labs most Dr's would of replaced my t4 and diagnosis as secondary hypothyroidism...

Lol!!! But I have had this from suppressed thyroid and iron stores been low before and I never noticed so not sure exactly the cause!!! Lol!! No aggression from tren atm. Lol!!

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[Thaistick]

I can't offer any advice on your issues but I do appreciate the knowledge I gained reading through your posts. I'll only add that my doctor wants all his HRT patients to take 4 or 6 weeks off everything once a year due to seeing thyroid suppression in his patients lab work. You showed me the reason why. I don't actually do it because I like my stable levels and I don't do nearly the dose he prescribes, 500mg a week! I literally do 10 mg a day for true HRT with small blasts of higher doses. I don't complain about all the extra test I have laying around. Do the math a vial lasts me almost 200 days assuming no waste, and I get a vial a month. Even using the slin pin I will waste a tiny bit but a vial still lasts me a very long time.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I can't offer any advice on your issues but I do appreciate the knowledge I gained reading through your posts. I'll only add that my doctor wants all his HRT patients to take 4 or 6 weeks off everything once a year due to seeing thyroid suppression in his patients lab work. You showed me the reason why. I don't actually do it because I like my stable levels and I don't do nearly the dose he prescribes, 500mg a week! I literally do 10 mg a day for true HRT with small blasts of higher doses. I don't complain about all the extra test I have laying around. Do the math a vial lasts me almost 1000 days assuming no waste, and I get a vial a month. Even using the slin pin I will waste a tiny bit but a vial still lasts me a very long time.

I just bought some Sam-e!! Lol!
After reading one of your post i told wife, it can't hurt to try.
It says used clinical in Europe for years!! Lol!

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[Thaistick]

I just bought some Sam-e!! Lol!
After reading one of your post i told wife, it can't hurt to try.
It says used clinical in Europe for years!! Lol!

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I saw where you liked the post or whatever. I think they probably really didn't realize that it was just SAM-E. But damn over $3 a tablet for that? I'll find a good supplement company first. Let me know what you think. He had some pretty grand claims in the product description. Rebuilding joint cartilage etc.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

So I am feeling good again!! T4 at 100mcg a day lifted my bp which was low and my pulse which was low... I am in normal low good ranges on BP pulse upper 80s after adhd med doses and 70 resting at night on couch!!!
My sleep got into patterns rather than knocked out feeling..
I also Lower D-line aromasin to 6mg MWF!!
I changed nolva D-line to 1/4 tab per night!
I upped Pharma Cyp to 100mg MWF
Tren hex at 75mg MWF D-LINE
Shredz at 1ml MWF D-LINE
Primo at what fits in pin.. 175mg MWF D-LINE
Trest ace started pinning in delts with slin pin just around 15mg with test base 50mg both D-line Every other day I guess. Finished test base vial off. Just gonna use little trest ace eod to help!!!

Felt like myself again little tren sides with Challage or 2!! Lol!! But tren and me get along and this lower trial thing.

Think tren per week total 450mg I am used to 525mg wk to 700mg wk but HEX at half or 225mg wk really low on sides.

Hex is for superior on side free so far... hope D gets more stock because I got 1 more vial and will switch Hex part out for tren Enathate.... But tren just doesn't bother me like it used to. Apple Cider vinegar tabs 480mg 2-3x a day with magnesium oxide 500mg at night and fiber gummies I am not having to indigestion issues at all!!!

So the storm is passing. Lethergy can be a killer when it strikes like it can sometimes.
Hgh generic still at 3.3iu I sure wasn't messing with that ATM!! Once dialed all in right may use 5iu but not necessary. HGH is high quality Giant black top 99%!!

I been on hgh 3.3iu this generic since August or September was on 5iu of a few others before and needed Novothyral at 4iu up and adding blast!! On cruise hgh doesn't give me lethergy and hypothyroid symtoms but adding blast of good gear knocks socks off of me!!! Hard to explain but almost everytime!!!

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[Quix99]

Glad to hear you are feelin well my man!

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I saw where you liked the post or whatever. I think they probably really didn't realize that it was just SAM-E. But damn over $3 a tablet for that? I'll find a good supplement company first. Let me know what you think. He had some pretty grand claims in the product description. Rebuilding joint cartilage etc.

So Sam-e was 15 bucks 30x200mg local. Forgot brand but decent. Felt better past 2 days but made many changes. Maybe it's placebo affect on well being. Lol!! Made alot of changes so... Will see what happens will take it all and see but prolly will get wife to try next and see what she thinks to get better understanding. If it helps liver great... and supports well being better.. But one would have to have some issues I imagine to happen....
Something that intreged me was the supplement L-theanine, I was impressed that it had stress reducing calming affect...

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[Muscle mechanic]

Guys I am feeling really better now. 100mcg t4 doing trick. I will list stack and changes.
And note I did a few too many
Phlebotomy's and iron came back low with free t4 low. Tested those after last phlebotomy and felt like death right after it. Also had flu a couple weeks ago and energy was slow to come back. Me and daugher and son all had flu...
all labs were good in January iron wasnt tested then CBC, full metabolic panel with kidney, liver, albumin, bilirubin, lipids, PSA, Glucuse, A1C, potassium, sodium etc....

Stack all dosed MWF all gear D-line except Pharma test cyp and hgh generics GIANT
Test c upped 300wk from 180wk (100mg MWF)
Tren hex 225wk (75MG MWF)
Shredz 1ml MWF (225mg version)
Primo 200mg/ml fill rest of pin MWF
Trest ace slin pinned 15mg in delt eod with test base 50mg. Finished test base vial so may use trest a bit longer this way.
Nolva using 1/4 tab instead 1/2 tab a day
Aromasin using 1/4 tab eod instead of 1/2 eod
Proviron I slacked off till estro gets better seems I was low there too...???.
Hgh 3.3iu a day
MT2 250mcg 3x wk
Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk a off lab brand but Pharma Grade close... yeah!!! Maybe soon..
Added t4 100mcg Pharma Synthroid a day and energy on rise!! Almost immediately!!! Better by the day!!
Will start Phera-Flex soon and inject Superdrol will have too. Phera-Flex will go lower dose adding Superdrol 10mg preworkout!! Yes sir both preworkout low dose together used before like this!! As said my liver good been off orals since June except low 30mg tbol for 30 days and labs were great in January!!
Will start B12 injections too!! Doesn't take but a vial to fix me up. Used to reconstitute my hgh with b12... works best to be honest!!!

So leaning starting stopped the 1000mg Cinnamon blood sugar was low on diabetic monitor too thru out day!

My bp 110/60's MY heart rate between 65-90. 90 after adhd med adderall doses. Before t4 it stayed 50-65 all day wouldn't go up much at gym maybe 85 bpm right after workout didn't check during....
My bp was 90/50's before t4!!

Got out if breath having sex a few times d7ck worked!! Had tren sweats last night!!!
No reflux or gastro issues at all. I feel 90% better. Wait till those pheramone's lift me up and put musk out to ladies!! Wife won't want me out house and she will be ready waiting for return... somethings do that really.. Tren and right test affect me and her more in that way!!! Phera-Flex or Phera-Sex....


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