Heart health on cycle

[Ironman404]

So the more I learn, the more I want to approach gear with a proactive rather than reachive mindset.

One concern of mine is cholesterol. What do all of you do in this regard? I've been reading up on running 20mg nolva throughout entire cycles (alongside an AI) to improve lipid profiles. Thoughts?

For overall health, I currently use:

Hawthorne berry - 2 grams/day
Celery seed - 1 gram/day
CoQ10- 200mg/day
Nanokenise- can't remember dose
Tudca
GW 50516 - 7mg/day

I used a small dose of baby aspirin for along time...but a few guys told me it was a bad idea.

 

[Ironman404]

FYI

My normal bp is between 120/80 - 130/90

Normal HR is 78 - 90.

When on cycle, my HR is almost always about 100

 

[Ironman404]

No one???

 

[Chemicallyengineered]

I would avoid AIs because they kill your good cholesterol and that's just as bad as raising the bad cholesterol. Increasing fiber and cardio will help improve the good cholesterol. For my bp I am on 40mg lisinopril and 5mg amlodipine.


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[Ironman404]

I would avoid AIs because they kill your good cholesterol and that's just as bad as raising the bad cholesterol. Increasing fiber and cardio will help improve the good cholesterol. For my bp I am on 40mg lisinopril and 5mg amlodipine.


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Yea that makes sense about the AI's, but how does one eliminate AI use while on gear that heavily aromatizes?

 

[Chemicallyengineered]

I would just stick with anti-es so that the body produces the estrogen which helps with lipids but you block the receptors with the anti-e. I will say I am blessed to never get any estrogen related sides even when running over a gram of test and 100mg dbol. Then again that also means I never really blow up either. Kind of a catch 22.


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[Ironman404]

So like nolva?

 

[Chemicallyengineered]

Yeah start nolva from day one to start blocking the receptors.


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[liftsiron]

I do aromasin and 10mgs nola ed. Last bloodwork cholesterol was 117 triglycerides were 50.
I don't eat shit with sugar or highly refined carbs and I don't do keto type high fat diets.

 

[CRAZY DOSER]

About theme of this tread "Heart health on cycle"... There is a strong connection between heavy workout and “athletic heart” syndrome (hardering of myocardium walls). Unfortunately no CoQ10, Celery seed or Hawthorne berry will solve such problem. Maybe this (cholesterol) is not the only thing you should be care of?

 

[Rot-Iron66]

I got off of statins by taking (a lot of pills), but they were:

Arginine
Red Yeast Rice (A certain brand that has 4 mg of statins in it) I'll check my bottle when I get home and update this.
Bergamot (Now Nutrition Cholesterol Pro)
Krill or Fish OIl
NAC
Niacin

 

[liftsiron]

Athletic Heart Syndrome

By Chris Woolston, M.S.

What is athletic heart syndrome?

Athletic heart syndrome is a heart condition that may occur in people who exercise or train for more than an hour a day, most days of the week. Athletic heart syndrome isn't necessarily bad for you -- if you're an athlete. And it's not what makes young athletes expire in mid-court. While it does lead to structural changes in the heart, a person with the condition usually doesn't notice any symptoms. Athletic heart syndrome doesn't require treatment and is important to diagnose only to rule out heart problems that are serious.

Like any other muscle, the heart gets stronger with exercise. Endurance exercises such as jogging, swimming, and cycling can make the organ bigger, allowing it to pump more blood with every beat. Short, intense workouts such as weight lifting further increase the pumping power by thickening the walls of the heart.

Just as body builders sculpt their abs and biceps into highly unusual shapes, many hard-core, competitive athletes develop extraordinary hearts. Not only is the heart extra large and thick, it also may produce some irregular rhythms (arrhythmia). A person with athletic heart syndrome may also have a markedly slow resting heart rate, in the range of 35 to 50 beats a minute. In addition, electrical impulses can take strange routes across the heart, causing abnormal readings on an electrocardiogram (ECG or EKG). Together, these changes produced by exercise are called athletic heart syndrome.

Is athletic heart syndrome dangerous?

An enlarged heart, arrhythmia, and unusual ECG readings would all be signs of serious trouble for the average person. In fact, the rhythms and ECG readings associated with athletic heart syndrome often mimic life-threatening disorders. But athletic heart syndrome itself is harmless. The "abnormal" changes in the athlete's heart are actually a testament to the body's ability to adapt.

If an athlete has symptoms of chest pain, reports irregular beats, or has passed out, he or she should get a medical exam to pinpoint the problem. Your doctor may want to run extra tests to determine whether the symptoms are a normal sign of your body's ability to adapt to training, or whether there's some abnormality in your heart. These tests may include an electrocardiogram, sonogram (a picture of the heart using sound waves), or another type of test.

Of course, some athletes really do have heart trouble. Occasionally, seemingly healthy young basketball or football players drop dead in the middle of a game or a practice. In almost every case, doctors trace the death to an unsuspected condition, such as congenital heart disease, but one that has nothing to do with athletic heart syndrome.

How is athletic heart syndrome treated?

Since athletic heart syndrome is harmless, there's no reason to treat it unless you experience regular light-headedness, chest pains, or you lose consciousness. If you really want a "normal" heart again, all you have to do is stop exercising. Soon, your heart, along with the rest of your body, will sag back into its former shape. But why not keep everything extra strong and healthy for a while? You should be proud of your athletic body, heart included.

References

Maron, BJ et al. The Heart of Trained Athletes: cardiac remodeling and risks of sports, including sudden death. Circulation, Oct.10, 2006.

Bryan, Greg et al. Athletic Heart Syndrome. Medical Problems. Vol.11, Number 2.

Drezner, Jonathan A. Sudden cardiac death in young athletes. Postgraduate Medicine, October 2000.

Merck Manual. Athletic Heart Syndrome. November 2005. http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec07/ch082/ch082c.html

Last Updated: Jan 20, 2016

Exercise and Fitness Health Library Copyright ©2016 LimeHealth. All Rights Reserved.

 

[Ironman404]

Athletic Heart Syndrome

By Chris Woolston, M.S.

What is athletic heart syndrome?

Athletic heart syndrome is a heart condition that may occur in people who exercise or train for more than an hour a day, most days of the week. Athletic heart syndrome isn't necessarily bad for you -- if you're an athlete. And it's not what makes young athletes expire in mid-court. While it does lead to structural changes in the heart, a person with the condition usually doesn't notice any symptoms. Athletic heart syndrome doesn't require treatment and is important to diagnose only to rule out heart problems that are serious.

Like any other muscle, the heart gets stronger with exercise. Endurance exercises such as jogging, swimming, and cycling can make the organ bigger, allowing it to pump more blood with every beat. Short, intense workouts such as weight lifting further increase the pumping power by thickening the walls of the heart.

Just as body builders sculpt their abs and biceps into highly unusual shapes, many hard-core, competitive athletes develop extraordinary hearts. Not only is the heart extra large and thick, it also may produce some irregular rhythms (arrhythmia). A person with athletic heart syndrome may also have a markedly slow resting heart rate, in the range of 35 to 50 beats a minute. In addition, electrical impulses can take strange routes across the heart, causing abnormal readings on an electrocardiogram (ECG or EKG). Together, these changes produced by exercise are called athletic heart syndrome.

Is athletic heart syndrome dangerous?

An enlarged heart, arrhythmia, and unusual ECG readings would all be signs of serious trouble for the average person. In fact, the rhythms and ECG readings associated with athletic heart syndrome often mimic life-threatening disorders. But athletic heart syndrome itself is harmless. The "abnormal" changes in the athlete's heart are actually a testament to the body's ability to adapt.

If an athlete has symptoms of chest pain, reports irregular beats, or has passed out, he or she should get a medical exam to pinpoint the problem. Your doctor may want to run extra tests to determine whether the symptoms are a normal sign of your body's ability to adapt to training, or whether there's some abnormality in your heart. These tests may include an electrocardiogram, sonogram (a picture of the heart using sound waves), or another type of test.

Of course, some athletes really do have heart trouble. Occasionally, seemingly healthy young basketball or football players drop dead in the middle of a game or a practice. In almost every case, doctors trace the death to an unsuspected condition, such as congenital heart disease, but one that has nothing to do with athletic heart syndrome.

How is athletic heart syndrome treated?

Since athletic heart syndrome is harmless, there's no reason to treat it unless you experience regular light-headedness, chest pains, or you lose consciousness. If you really want a "normal" heart again, all you have to do is stop exercising. Soon, your heart, along with the rest of your body, will sag back into its former shape. But why not keep everything extra strong and healthy for a while? You should be proud of your athletic body, heart included.

References

Maron, BJ et al. The Heart of Trained Athletes: cardiac remodeling and risks of sports, including sudden death. Circulation, Oct.10, 2006.

Bryan, Greg et al. Athletic Heart Syndrome. Medical Problems. Vol.11, Number 2.

Drezner, Jonathan A. Sudden cardiac death in young athletes. Postgraduate Medicine, October 2000.

Merck Manual. Athletic Heart Syndrome. November 2005. http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec07/ch082/ch082c.html

Last Updated: Jan 20, 2016

Exercise and Fitness Health Library Copyright ©2016 LimeHealth. All Rights Reserved.

Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense though.

 

[ketsugo]

I always past 15 years use Novaldex- it is site specific I use as preventive for gyno- which I have never got and I do over 1 gram test every week Test. I do use Adex sporadically. I use cialis daily for keeping my BP down , but eating well is the best approach, I too use supplements

 

[ketsugo]

Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense though.

Most world class athletes and marathon runners have this. I have had this but I see specialist for past 12 years and my heart functions BETTER then normal Im told- because the thickening of my arterial walls is concentric and equal. It only becomes an issue when one side is over developed and the other side is weakened ( Like Len Bias former Boston Celtic who collapsed and died )ALways pat attention to health without health you cant build your body PERIOD