First run

[SoonerClint72]

I was recently approached to put together a cycle for a young man (28). Will be his first. Here is what I have so far. Constructive comments welcomed.
Wk1-10 test E 375mgs
Wk 1-10 deca 300mgs
Wk 1-6 tbol 50mgs ed
pct, standard clomid and nolvadex.
will be running a cycle assist the whole time.
Goal is 12-15 lbs.

Sooner

 

[Kins]

I might tell him to stay natty depending on where he is in training and his weight to height ratio. Also I'd tell him if he can't lift a finger to research AAS and can't even figure out his first cycle on his own, he should just forget about it. Then I'd ask him if he wanted me to wipe his ass for him too. That's just me though. I guess you're a really nice guy though.

 

[dynaglide1955]

i can gain more than that by lifting heavy and eating lots...lol..i am almost 62 yrs old

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[suraonyx23]

First cycle for him and you recommend 3 compounds? A lil much don't you think? Now test e and tbol I think would be fine for a first cycle for him. Normally I wouldn't recommend it but I like tbol much more than dbol.


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[Ricnixon]

First cycle for him and you recommend 3 compounds? A lil much don't you think? Now test e and tbol I think would be fine for a first cycle for him. Normally I wouldn't recommend it but I like tbol much more than dbol.


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I agree. First cycle keep it simple with some test and tbol.

I don't like deca for a first cycle as it's one of the most suppressive compounds there is.

I love Tbol but my lipids start fucking up around week 5-6. Not crazy bad, but enough to stop. Def gotta watch that.


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[dynaglide1955]

i have only tried dbol

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[dynaglide1955]

gave me a headache at end of day ..high blood pressure maybe...

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[Hevi-head]

Good ol' test E or C at 250 mg twice a week for 12 weeks

 

[SoonerClint72]

Points taken...thought that since dosages were low, it would be ok to have three compounds. I will yank the deca and keep the tbol. Thanks for the comments.

Sooner

 

[Loganx12]

no ai or caber ?

 

[SoonerClint72]

Probably won't need them at the dosages I'm using. Maybe have some aromasin on hand just in case.

 

[RamboStallone]

Good ol' test E or C at 250 mg twice a week for 12 weeks

This is all that's needed for a first cycle. 2 vials of test 250mg, 10 weeks at 500mg.

 

[ketsugo]

Why so many compounds ? Usually first timer can gain 10-30 test only. Then later on you add others to see one by one how they respond hormonally to each whether or not need AI etc .

 

[ketsugo]

Points taken...thought that since dosages were low, it would be ok to have three compounds. I will yank the deca and keep the tbol. Thanks for the comments.

Sooner

Forgive me but NO , beginners need next to nothing . My hugest peeve on forums is when people come to "learn " . It's one thing to spend years Learning how one person responds ( like oneself ) 80-90% of guys on forums start all wrong - let the body adjust to test then add ONE compound at low dose . One or three it don't matter your forcing a body to adjust too quickly and not respond to regular dosing . All compounds are in some way a form or derivative of test. So in some form each compound will also shut down natural so we deal with that by "supplement " with synthetic test ( enanthate or cyp) cuz most don't want or like to pin more . The lowest dose needed to make progress which can only be determined by the individual. Teaching or training a person is not showing what you did but teaching them to read their own body . Obtaining labs is also vital .

 

[ketsugo]

no ai or caber ?

Why ? Caber? You use higher ratio of test when using deca .how things were find for decades without issue . It's misinformation, thinking we need way to high dosing etc . I reserve caber for tren if at all . I stopped using caber , prami etc ten years ago and I use deca and tren regular but I use dose that I find works I don't copy other and never take advice from people on forum I know barely know themselves - meaning that they are still learning how their own body responds to certain compounds . Bodybuilding is truly the study of your self . Not others not comparing to others . You are your best teacher always . You don't need some superstar online trainer. Just pay close attention to you . When I have trained 100s over past 20 years it centers around recording and almost like keeping a daily diary of eating , training mood etc all far more important than the cycle . Personally I mastered those over 15 year period approximately before even touching AAS . Plus the guys who want to get freaky huge never ever discuss the compound That has proven to be the most anabolic and it's succcess or danger depends on eating properly . That speaks volumes . Obviously I love forums been on them for over 20 years pretty much as long as they have existed . However scary how too many misunderstandings and erroneous practices result from forum ( bro science ) oh I hate even writing that term lol. Ton of guys look awesome and have accomplished magic including guys on this thread but we are all different live differently see things in our own way . Every thing you need you already know but need to look inside you . I can't stress that enough . Good luck great advice on this post much to think about

 

[Bishop22]

I was recently approached to put together a cycle for a young man (28). Will be his first. Here is what I have so far. Constructive comments welcomed.
Wk1-10 test E 375mgs
Wk 1-10 deca 300mgs
Wk 1-6 tbol 50mgs ed
pct, standard clomid and nolvadex.
will be running a cycle assist the whole time.
Goal is 12-15 lbs.

Sooner

Haha so for this dudes first cycles he's doing deca, one of the most suppressive compounds there is.. along side a small dose of test barely enough to notice gains... without running the test 2 weeks longer than the deca ester.. wow this guys gonna notice a nice lag time in shut down on his very first run...

Curious on the half ass'd pct layout as well.

Oh just noticed, he's doing two serms 😂 fuck an AI .. weak

But to make this post productive, cut the deca, save it for the next cycle.. increase test to 500, trade clomid for adex. The tbol can stay as is... as for the deca next cycle, you should really run test 2 weeks past last deca inj.. assuming you yourself haven't experienced the shut down gap even with a good pct layout, hcg does make a significant help tho.