Aspiration?. Needless?.

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I was "googling" looking at proper IM injection procedures and found an article which included a section on aspiration and how it isn't needed and there is no scientific basis for it. I've cut and paste that section below along with a link to the entire article.


1.7 Needle aspiration
Whether or not to teach students to perform needle aspiration when administering IM injections is a questions frequently
asked by nursing practice instructors. Needle aspiration is performed by pulling back on the plunger of the syringe after
inserting the needle into the client; if blood appears in the syringe, the nurse assumes the needle is in a blood vessel, and
withdraws the needle prior to injection. There is no scientific evidence to support the need for aspiration [37], and several
evidence-based reasons not to perform aspiration.
First, the sites used for intramuscular injection are not in close proximity
large blood vessels [38], so the likelihood of inadvertently hitting a blood vessel is slight. Second, for needle aspiration to be
effective, it must be sustained for at least 5-10 seconds
, which is far longer than the quick 1-2 second aspiration generally
performed by nurses and other health professionals. One study notes that only 3% of vaccinators aspirated for the
recommended 5-10 seconds [37]. Third, rapid injection without aspiration was less painful for the client, likely because
aspiration, when performed properly for 5-10 seconds, results in longer contact time between the needle and the tissue and
inevitable movement of the needle within the tissue during aspiration [38, 39]. Finally, “bleeding at the injection site is
common, and does not indicate incorrect injection technique” (p. S68) [39]. Therefore, needle aspiration should not be
performed because it is unnecessary and increases pain at the injection site.


- http://www.sciedu.ca/journal/index.php/jnep/article/viewFile/1888/1291
 
I would have to respectfully disagree. Those who inject without aspirating are taking unnecessary chances. Sweating, nausea, dizziness, severe coughing, breathing difficulties, can all result from not aspirating. Most of the time, steroid users experience dizziness and coughing fits when they inject into a blood vessel. I would bet most of us have experienced this. But you need to be aware of the dangers of neglecting this simple technique that should take about 3-5 seconds of your time.
 
I would have to respectfully disagree. Those who inject without aspirating are taking unnecessary chances. Sweating, nausea, dizziness, severe coughing, breathing difficulties, can all result from not aspirating. Most of the time, steroid users experience dizziness and coughing fits when they inject into a blood vessel. I would bet most of us have experienced this. But you need to be aware of the dangers of neglecting this simple technique that should take about 3-5 seconds of your time.

I'm not saying I have an opinion either way. Just that what I've read above in the part I've underlined says there is no evidence to support the need for it and several evidence-based reasons not to aspirate.
 
Yea it's help u not inject into a vein .But sometimes depending where I'm pinning i don't do it either it's hard to do sometimes by urself.
 
I'm not saying I have an opinion either way. Just that what I've read above in the part I've underlined says there is no evidence to support the need for it and several evidence-based reasons not to aspirate.

...didn't mean to offend if it was taken that way.
 
I haven't done it in 10 years. I usually use insulin pins or smaller needles. Call me lucky but I've never had any serious symptoms that would suggest hitting a vein like flu or trouble breathing. I have coughed once or twice but that was it. But out of the 1,000 injections I've done, so far I've had zero issues. So that said.....with my luck when I pin tomorrow I'm gonna retract this post lol


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I would have to respectfully disagree. Those who inject without aspirating are taking unnecessary chances. Sweating, nausea, dizziness, severe coughing, breathing difficulties, can all result from not aspirating. Most of the time, steroid users experience dizziness and coughing fits when they inject into a blood vessel. I would bet most of us have experienced this. But you need to be aware of the dangers of neglecting this simple technique that should take about 3-5 seconds of your time.

I haven't aspirated in probably over 3 years and I pin 3-4x per week.
 
I've only aspirated a couple times, and I only do when it feels like it was more pressure than normal, and the 2nd time i had it feel alittle harder than normal I did pull back some blood so, But if the pin slides in like it usually does I don't bother. Nurses don't ever aspirate so if they aren't tht worried I'm not, unless it requires more pressure than I've become accustomed to

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Yea it's help u not inject into a vein .But sometimes depending where I'm pinning i don't do it either it's hard to do sometimes by urself.
Yes I agree if you not going in appropriate spot. But I go in the light I can see all my veins anywhere though

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20 years never aspirated. My trt dr laughed when I asked him if I needed to do that

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Right, that was my point. I mean like the paper says there is no scientific evidence to support the need for aspiration and there is actually scientific evidence to support NOT doing it!. When I was taught how to inject for TRT, they taught me to use my upper thigh/quad and never mentioned anything at all about aspiration. I recently starting aspirating though and now I'm just re-thinking it, because I believe it does increase PIP and based on this paper there is no reason for it anyway. I think aspiration is something that people used to do, even medical professionals, but a very long time ago and it's since been "dismissed" or deemed unnecessary. So it was an "old school" thing and just sort of worked it's way into the AAS community and people just took it or take it at face value believing it is necessary because "people" on forums say you are supposed to do it.
 
Ok here is a good question. For the Veterans at pinning, I'm talking guys that have been pinning for 15-20 years plus....The guys that do aspirate, how many times in your 15-20 years aspirating have you aspirated and seen blood? Only in the designated IM areas though. I'm not talking about traps, pecs, or calves or anything like that, only sites that a doctor or nurse would use for IM injection.
 
Right, that was my point. I mean like the paper says there is no scientific evidence to support the need for aspiration and there is actually scientific evidence to support NOT doing it!. When I was taught how to inject for TRT, they taught me to use my upper thigh/quad and never mentioned anything at all about aspiration. I recently starting aspirating though and now I'm just re-thinking it, because I believe it does increase PIP and based on this paper there is no reason for it anyway. I think aspiration is something that people used to do, even medical professionals, but a very long time ago and it's since been "dismissed" or deemed unnecessary. So it was an "old school" thing and just sort of worked it's way into the AAS community and people just took it or take it at face value believing it is necessary because "people" on forums say you are supposed to do it.
At trt they never mentioned it either when I asked that was response dr chucked and said if u doing it where we shown u no problem. Believe it or not we will go thru our vein or knick them but nothing will go in them IV.
As far as pip, I often get it from pushing plunger too fast or when muscle tightens up and plunger will not go down.
I heat gear in pin with body undefined hot running water holding at base where point screws in at angle. I do it for a minute or so. Expansion will make it come out a couple drops when it's ready.
I often use out 3 vials so I gotta change point before pinning.
So I heat and push plunger slow it's the loaded full ones that cause pip and it's cause it's hard to push in. I pin glutes or hips the most scare tissue and all!
Need some 5/8" 25 ga though 1"22g Killin me

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Ok here is a good question. For the Veterans at pinning, I'm talking guys that have been pinning for 15-20 years plus....The guys that do aspirate, how many times in your 15-20 years aspirating have you aspirated and seen blood? Only in the designated IM areas though. I'm not talking about traps, pecs, or calves or anything like that, only sites that a doctor or nurse would use for IM injection.
When I hit blood it's normally from hitting a knot from previous injection the ones that burn when u hit them but already 3/4 so. I know cause blood ends up inside without aspirating. I either pull out a little or push deeper.
What I also do is put pin against skin holding it tight with other hand and gently turn pin back and fourth. If u do this veins arteries vessels large ones with move the term (ROLL) ask any phlebotomist or junky veins roll unless u jab.
So don't jab!!!

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At trt they never mentioned it either when I asked that was response dr chucked and said if u doing it where we shown u no problem. Believe it or not we will go thru our vein or knick them but nothing will go in them IV.
As far as pip, I often get it from pushing plunger too fast or when muscle tightens up and plunger will not go down.
I heat gear in pin with body undefined hot running water holding at base where point screws in at angle. I do it for a minute or so. Expansion will make it come out a couple drops when it's ready.
I often use out 3 vials so I gotta change point before pinning.
So I heat and push plunger slow it's the loaded full ones that cause pip and it's cause it's hard to push in. I pin glutes or hips the most scare tissue and all!
Need some 5/8" 25 ga though 1"22g Killin me

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Yeah, to me it doesn't make sense that you could inject into a vein by mistake. I'm sure it's possible to nick them or go through them, but I'd think if you go deep enough you shouldn't have a problem. Hey I'm not a vet at this and pretty new to IM injections. I'm just OCD and like to read medically based articles and watch medical or nursing school demonstrations on how to properly do IM injections. I just figure the best way to learn is watch and take advice from medical professionals that have been trained to do IM injections correctly. Not to say that advice from old veteran AAS users isn't important, that's one of the reasons I started this thread.
 
Yeah, to me it doesn't make sense that you could inject into a vein by mistake. I'm sure it's possible to nick them or go through them, but I'd think if you go deep enough you shouldn't have a problem. Hey I'm not a vet at this and pretty new to IM injections. I'm just OCD and like to read medically based articles and watch medical or nursing school demonstrations on how to properly do IM injections. I just figure the best way to learn is watch and take advice from medical professionals that have been trained to do IM injections correctly. Not to say that advice from old veteran AAS users isn't important, that's one of the reasons I started this thread.
I read everything too. Ocd and on adhd meds. Lol!
About everything we do the function receptors u name it. Every medicine lol!
Interested in these things always have been!

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When I hit blood it's normally from hitting a knot from previous injection the ones that burn when u hit them but already 3/4 so. I know cause blood ends up inside without aspirating. I either pull out a little or push deeper.
What I also do is put pin against skin holding it tight with other hand and gently turn pin back and fourth. If u do this veins arteries vessels large ones with move the term (ROLL) ask any phlebotomist or junky veins roll unless u jab.
So don't jab!!!

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I was taught to use a "darting" motion. My problem is sometimes I go to slow and I just stop when the needle hits the skin because I get nervous and still am not quite used to poking myself with a sharp metal object. Trying to get myself to just keep going instead of stopping. This doesn't happen every time and lately I'm getting over it. The last 3 pins went almost perfectly. On the "rolling", I've been told by doctors that I have "rolling veins". SO I know what you are saying. Having "rolling veins" I think is a bad thing for people trying to take my blood, but might be a good thing for IM injections because they roll out of the way...Or am I way off base?.
 
I was taught to use a "darting" motion. My problem is sometimes I go to slow and I just stop when the needle hits the skin because I get nervous and still am not quite used to poking myself with a sharp metal object. Trying to get myself to just keep going instead of stopping. This doesn't happen every time and lately I'm getting over it. The last 3 pins went almost perfectly. On the "rolling", I've been told by doctors that I have "rolling veins". SO I know what you are saying. Having "rolling veins" I think is a bad thing for people trying to take my blood, but might be a good thing for IM injections because they roll out of the way...Or am I way off base?.
I have high red blood have order for phlebotomy every 3 weeks or as needed they have no trouble getting me.
I learned the jab too but on my own it's hard and I do glute or hip alot and the scar tissue is bad.
I learned going slow if I feel a nerve or whatever I pull back slightly and point towards and slight angle. If I am in self tissue not sore from previous injections I can jab but seems like it's never case. Lol!! At beginning of blast but not after a couple weeks

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I heat up the oil every time now. I tried it once and now I do it every time. Just switched to 25G needles from 23G based on recommendations from some guys on this forum. Honestly I liked the 23G better for injecting. It was so much easier to push the oil through. With the 25G, even with the oil heated it takes soooo much longer and sooo much more effort to push the plunger down. Plus while injecting the needle it really doesn't hurt any less than the 23G. The only noticeable difference is the difficulty pushing the plunger down and it take longer. However, I have them now so I'm gonna use them. Maybe it's that I'm a newb to IM injections but I don't really see the benefit. Supposedly there will be less scar tissue using 25G instead of 23G. Is that correct?
 
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